★ ★ ★ Manny Pacquiao — Fighter of the Decade (2010—2019) ★ ★ ★

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  1. Pakkuman

    Pakkuman I'm not hot. I'm just BIG. banned Full Member

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    What excuses?

    JMM hired a PED expert.
    JMM put on serious muscle.
    JMM increased his power and dropped Pac and then stopped him.
    JMM showed up a few fights later with massive amounts of acne on his chest and back.

    How are obvious and serious red flags for doping an excuse?
     
  2. YCGS

    YCGS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Andre Ward has a better claim than Pacquiao does.
     
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  3. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Says you a notorious PBF hater and Pac ass licker. LMFAO.

    PBF did not lose to Maidana. Maidana did nothing in the second half of that fight he used up too much of his energy in the first half and was spent for the second. In order for Maidana to win that fight you would have not given PBF any of the 1st 6 rounds which is a cruel joke if you didn't. What's your score card for the fight?

    PBF-JLC was a closer fight than PBF-Maidana with that said PBF edged a close fight with a bad shoulder. He fought the rematch and won going away leaving no doubt.

    The fact is Pac avoided testing for years and ducked PBF because of it, robbing us all of seeing PBF tool a prime Pac.:deal:
    Pac lost and has bad loses KOed early in his career by a no hoper yes that loss counts and it was bad. Sanchez gave him hell and arguably beat him and Pac got a draw but that's never talked about. He lost to a faded Erik Morales another bad loss. Never beat JMM clearly and got KOEd by him lost to Bradley was schooled by PBF lost a horrible Horn who was destroyed by Crawford who showed everyone what Horn's true level was. If PBF had that career and those losses he would be looked at as overrated but since Pac is well liked he's seen by some as a God who could do no wrong and that's bull**** and I'm tired of it. he's not the fighter of the decade of the era he has too many bad losses to guys he should have beaten easily and lost badly to his H2H rival PBF.
     
  4. Pakkuman

    Pakkuman I'm not hot. I'm just BIG. banned Full Member

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    That's my number #2.

    But Ward wasn't violently KO'd and he didn't mount a comeback while being a part time boxer and giving up a significant size advantage to his opponents for most of the decade.

    No one has achieved more than Manny Pacquiao this decade.

    5th time lineal.
    8th weight division champ.
    3X welterweight champion.
    Oldest welterweight champion.
     
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  5. Pakkuman

    Pakkuman I'm not hot. I'm just BIG. banned Full Member

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    Floyd ducked the fight the first time around and then he continued to duck for 4 more years. Oscar (who was still working with Floyd at the time) and Ross Greenberg both said that they didn't know why Floyd didn't take the fight. LITERALLY NO ONE has ever said that Pac didn't want the fight.

    Then you have Floyd saying that he made the fight happen and that he waited until the time was right.

    Need more about ducking? Floyd said Ali shouldn't have fought certain guys, Ward shouldn't fight Kovalev, and Canelo shouldn't fight GGG. Now he's he saying he won't let Davis fight Lomachenko and pretty much told the media that he's protecting Tank and to criticize him.

    Old ass Erik Morales almost stole it from Maidana, who got schooled by Alexander, who then pushed Floyd's stool in. Castillo's a good fighter, but not legendary ATGs like Morales and JMM — who by the way was cheated on the scales by Floyd who didn't honour the catchweight.

    Floyd beat a badly drained Canelo. How drained? The guy is now supposedly going to light heavyweight.

    Throw in ultra low T/E ratios, illegal IV fluids, ducking VADA testing, ducking drug test penalties, and you have the biggest fraud in professional sports history.
     
  6. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    is this post about rigo cst80? no it isnt, open a post about rigo if you want, with your main, btw, would be easier.
     
  7. YCGS

    YCGS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The best fighters Pac fought in that span were Floyd, JMM and Thurman and of those 4 fights, most believe he lost 3 of the 4. Mosley was shot (and no I don't give Floyd any credit for beating him either), Margarito coming off a suspension and it was a catchweight for a bogus vacant title, Rios - Horn- Vargas - Algieri were never any good.

    Also if we are talking JUST that period, Pac only fought and held a Welterweight title and I guess Jr. Middle if you want to count that bogus belt he won from Margarito. Ward got his belts from beating legitimate champs.
     
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  8. this_and_that

    this_and_that Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pacquiao defeating Thurman is one of the biggest wins in WW, heck in boxing in years.
    Spence and Crawford are both eye test P4P entries.
    Thurman has accomplished far more than them in the division.

    Pac should be in everyone's top 10 P4P lists right now.
    I don't know about top 5, but certainly in the top 10.
     
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  9. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I dont want to hear that bull****. Roach said in a video i posted over a dozen times that you ignore that they were the reason why the fight didnt happen because they didn't want testing and it was their fault but you refuse to acknowledge this fact. In 2009 the time was right because pbf agreed to terms but pac didnt he ducked and went to fight clottey those are facts. **** all this spin and that you're talking about.

    You mean the same Morales who when he was faded beat a prime pac who after that win never beat a fighter of note again? That Morales? The same Morales who late in his career was busted for roids??? Stop it!

    You have an excuse for every pac loss and try to discredit anyone who beat him. It's pathetic learn how to take a loss like a man give credit and move on. You can never do that.
     
  10. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Amen to that
     
  11. M.3

    M.3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And I'm pretty sure not one win that your favorite fighter or guy you rooted for was won because of all this corruption that's killing the sport..lol You only root for 100% clean guys who wins legitimately all the time..lol The reason why all this corruption is even happening changes based on who the opponent is.. Floyd is the cash cow that's why the powers that be want him to win.. Ward beat Kovalev because of corruption but it's because Jay Z got money.. Canelo got away with PEDs and robbed GGG because he's the cash cow, but Pac lost to Horn because of corruption because because...lol

    Regardless, winning or losing the fighter of the decade is just for bragging rights.. I bet you blamed corruption on the new M&M flavor being brownie instead of whatever you voted for too huh? lol
     
  12. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No lie Manny is a good shot been pretty good to great late in his career despite the L's but the correct answer here is actually Canelo Alvarez
    @154(WBA&WBC Unified titlist Wbo Champ).
    Between 2010-2016. Beat champs (Rhodes-WBC, Lara-WBA, Smith WBO). (Titlist Trout-WBA) beat a line of contenders in Cintron, Mosley, Lopez, Angulo, Kirkland, Khan
    Mixed in beat Cotto for Lineal MW Title at CW in 2015. since 2016 after officially moving up he's fought GGGs 2x, and Jacobs at 160, and Chavez jr and Fielding at 168 going 5-0-1 becoming the WBC, IBF & WBA MW champ and also a WBA titlist at 168. Next fight could possibly be Kovalev at 175 for the WBO Championship. Going a total of 22-1-1 & 13-1-1 in title fights and 8-1-1 against relevant Champions the 1&1 in those instances is a lone loss to one of the greatest fighters ever in Mayweather and a draw in a 50/50 fight vs the long reigning MW champ in GGG who he beat in a rematch. Love or hate the man cant really knock him this decade he's had the highest comp and fought on even terms with the Elite of Elite you can say he has some losses but every single one is debatable which means the close fights those guys aren't that better if they were it would have been decisive. Every single All Time Great has had close or debatable wins every single one.
     
  13. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    No one beats Ali for me & you know it but Pac is Fighter of the era
     
  14. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I ****ing hate hate hate the new green skittles!
     
  15. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    One, the GGG fights aren't debatable or close. A slim minority of empty headed hold outs and haters does not a debate make. GGG won both by large margins.

    Two, every single all time great has had close or debatable wins, but none as many as Canelo. Find me four gift decisions Ray Robinson or Ezzard Charles got? Also, gifts and robberies tend to even out, but Canelo's all go the same way.