Which of these fighters does Jack Johnson have the best chance to beat

How do you know he was physically stronger?

 

Which good jabbers beat him?

 

It would be very difficult for a Marciano, Frazier or even Dempsey to beat prime Jock Johnson. Johnson knew very well and was a master at dominating such styles.

 

The other point is the equipment of the day favored the puncher AND it made any level of puncher that much more powerful. 5 oz or less brick like gloves, leather slippery soles made lateral movement difficult. I never believed Ketchels kd of Johnson was real but if so it’s no knock against Johnson.

 

Johnson had outstanding left hand and he knew how to manipulate opponent's lead hand. O'Brien fight only proved that Johnson didn't care at that point of his career. He didn't have any problems with jabbers in his prime.

 

The Obrien fight proves nothing. In a six round bout this ATG light hwt could outmaneuver most any hwt champion. O’Brien ran for six rounds, avoided a KO blow and won a few rounds along the way. Means absolutely nothing and only one bent on degrading Johnson would try to use it against him.

 

The question is which good jabbers did he fight?!

Jack O'Brein and according to primary reports out jabbed Johnson. O'Brien who was shorter and giving up about 40 pounds out jabbed Johnson and drew blood from inside his mouth. This tells me all I need to know, as he was likely the best jabber Johnson faced.

Johnson really did not face any good jabbers in their prime. But what O'brien did in 1909 vs. a prime Jack Johnson shows Tunney, Louis and Norton would be too much for him in that department.

 

Mendoza once again chooses prejudice over critical thinking.

 

Johnson had one of hwt boxing’s best jabs. A great light hwt running around the ring to avoid a KO does not equate to any honest critique of Johnson.

 

Martin and Jeanette were both good jabbers and Johnson beat them clearly.

 

Of course, you don't. Ketchel caught in him the back of the head. Johnson went down, rolled over, had to use an arm to brace himself to get up then delivered the KO blow off balance. He wasn't standing over Ketchel when he was being counted out, he had his gloves on the ropes for a reason. The press at ringside said Johnson looked dazed, and Johnson himself said Ketchel hit hard. Okay if a 5'9" guy who was really below 160 pounds ( the listed weight of 170 for Ketchel I doubt ) could do this and mark Johnson up with the other sold blow he landed....forgetaboutit, Marciano, Louis and Dempsey when they land would do a heck of a lot more.

Whenever you're going to admit it or not, Johnson was, in fact, KO'd by a super middleweight, Out boxed according to some primary sources by another and floored by a 3rd.

Just imagine if this happened to any champion to note post Johnson...

 

Jeannette was a novice for those fights, and some of them were close. Martin, it he didn't have the chin of a welterweight and could take a body punch could have been very good.

But are we going to say Jeannettes or Martin's jabs better than Louis, Tunney, or Norton? Of course not.

 

Mendoza, the amateur. Gunboat Smith who was a sparring partner for BOTH camps was at ringside for the fight. He was an “insider”. He stated the KD was faked. Who are you, a true nothing, 100 or more years later to disagree?

Stop being a fan boy and look at history as it was. Not how you want it to be.

Johnson was and is rated highly all time. Always rated over Jeffries which if you were honest, and you’re not, is the reason for your hatred of Johnson. He kicked your boys butt all over the ring. Humiliated Jeffries in front of the entire world. You can’t stand this as fact so you distort the record as the fanboy you are to try to “fix” the history. Sorry it’s set into stone.

 

Who cares that Martin wasn't durable? Johnson beat him in long fight by decision, he had to deal with his jab.

I don't say they are better, I just say that nothing suggests that Johnson had problems with good jabbers. He was past his prime, old, unmotivated and overweighed against O'Brien and he only had to last 6 rounds to keep his title. Even if O'Brien outboxed him, it's not because of his struggles with jabs.

 

What the heck did I say that was wrong? Own up to real facts son. The critical thinking here is Jack O'Brien perhaps the best jabber Johnson fought and he out jabbed him.

If O'brien who was near his end could do this past what the heck do you think Tunney, Louis or Norton, much bigger men who hit harder would do to him with their jabs!? There is your logic, try arguing the other way if you want to look foolish.

If Choysnki could KO Johnson cold and Ketchel by Johnson own admission could hurt him, how the heck can he take Dempsey's Marciano's or Louis punch? More logic, try arguing against it.

Your problem is you can't think past your favorites.

Johnson beat the shell of Jeffries, and took 15 rounds to do it. That fight meant nothing in a boxing sense unless you think beating a guy 6 years out of the ring at age 35 who had to lose a lot of weight means something.

No please don't waste my time, go back to Seamus.