Bowe-Golota I & 2...WHAT HAPPENED, BIG DADDY?

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  1. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    Golota used what may very well be the simplest trick in the boxing book against Bowe, and he used it over and over again in both fights.
    When Golota jabbed he would step forward with his left foot, but not move his right foot. This created the illusion that he was in range and that caused Bowe to punch back. At that point Golota would slide his left foot back, Bowe's punches would come up short, and Golota was in position to counter.
     
  2. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Lewis fans nearly always use the bogus amateur win over Bowe in their argument why he would win in the pros.
     
  3. ideafix12

    ideafix12 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Past prime tnt schooled him.
    Bowe is overrated
     
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  4. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wlad excelled vs big opponents, fought to his strengths and was always conditioned. Plus he was a massive puncher against a fighter with poor defense. Bowe was very fluid with his offense and often fought dirty but Wlad’s much straighter right hand would find the mark and he had easier time fighting at a comfortable range than Bowe ever did, Bowe often gave up his advantages to fight inside. Wlad wouldn’t allow that, I gotta go with him but it is an interesting match up
     
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  5. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree and like how you put that, though I'm not sure how I said something that contradicted that.

    Wlad did have a truly punishing outside style, it won his so many fights. But he did seem to try to avoid the inside. Bowe would have let him come in then started in with the uppercut.

    You know, as much as I can see that in my mind's eye, I think it's Bowe's overhand right that would cumulatively finish Wlad. One of Bowe's WORSE faults was his overhand right, which was way to looping and roundhouse to land consistently against shorter opponents (even some bigger ones).

    When it came to taller opponents, that overhand landed. And those rights would pile up into a stoppage, perhaps on cuts.

    I really need to go back and rewatch the Klitschko era, because I'm worried about writing stuff underinformed. I wasn't wild about them overall, but there's still plenty to admire about both of those great fighters.
     
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  6. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I just watched that fight for the first time a couple of months ago and was shocked at the stoppage. Bowe was bouncing up and down with his hands raised, eyes completely clear. A terrible stoppage...

    at the very least it was the opposite of a consummate victory. Bowe most certainly could go on, and the worse part for his fans is how he was actually doing really well against LL before the stoppage. Three shots and they stopped the fight, with Bowe on his toes...I call horse****.

    And that stoppage probably effected Bowe's time in the pros....though it seems to me jackass Newman had a lot to do with ****ing that up.
     
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  7. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The worse part for Bowe fans was watching those excruciating Golota fights and then after watching Lewis and Tyson kick the crap out of Andrew...easily.

    The above is the main proof of Bowe's bizarre plummet. He was done in those fights...worse part is, only a couple of years before he would have stomped the hell out of that loser.
     
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  8. reckless

    reckless Active Member Full Member

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    Wlad would still be World Champion today if he carried on fighting guys 6'3 or shorter. He lost his last two fights because he fought guys his own size and bigger. One who outboxed him and one who overpowered him.

    Did he ever fight a 6'5 235lb guy with great inside skills and a good jab to boot and one who would fight dirty.
    If Klitschko clinched too much I can guarantee you Bowe would hold and hit when breaking up from the clinch.
     
  9. reckless

    reckless Active Member Full Member

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    Klitschko was a great fighter but his weakness was fighting against men his own size who were aggressive.

    Klitschko once uppercut himself, that's how great his in fighting was.

    Klitschko was half boxer and half wrestler however the wrestling did not work against similar size opponents.
     
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  10. GordonGarner65

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    If Bowe could turn back the clock I guess he do 3 things.
    Avoid Holyfield after the first win
    Fight Lennox ( win or lose , it couldnt make things be much worse than they turned out)
    Stay more disciplined.

    Ty Biggs fought 5 top guys in his prime , Tyson Damiani Mason Bowe and Lewis.
    He landed more leather on Bowe than the rest put together and made Bowe look easy to hit.
    Maybe that tells you something about Bowe ? Its just another angle on the debate.
    Also watch his fight v Tony Tubbs , which I thought Tubbs won.
    Bowe got by when he was the bigger , stronger man.
     
  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    He also thinks Bugner > Wlad
     
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  12. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    What happened? A comB(OWE)ination in the nuts! Lol
     
  13. reckless

    reckless Active Member Full Member

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    All the big 6'5+ fighters (Bowe, Lewis, Klitschko Bros) won easily when they had the size advantage and found it harder when fighting someone their own size. The heavyweight division is the only one where such size discrepancies exist and these big guys take full advantage of it. There simply aren't that many 6'5 + people in the World.
     
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  14. BCS8

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    :duh:duh:duh
     
  15. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wlad was 39 and 41 when he lost those two bouts and had made 18 consecutive title defenses. One bout was a stinker where the winner avoided the rematch and the other was an epic performance by a very over the hill fighter. Bowe was washed up at 29 an entire decade earlier, and how many title defenses did he make?
    Wlad crushes many big fighters from Jameel Mccline, two Tony Thompson, to Wach, etc.
    Bowe fought in the stacked 90s and yet somehow failed to fight Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, Foreman, McCall, Morrison, Moorer, and too many names to count. Their was a reason 4 it.
    Wlad wins this match
     
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