Who has the greater legacy: Pacquiao or Floyd?

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Hey that's the sweet science for you, RUN n HUG.

 

Jimmy Bivins take a huge dump on both of their resumes. We are talking resumes here. As in you generally only count the wins and have excuses for the losses.

 

PBF has the greater legacy.

I rate athletes' careers on 4 time spans: 1.amateur, 2. rookie (1st 2/3 years), 3. rise(Prime) & 4. demise. Meaning a fighter's last years doesn't negate what they did in their prime or rookie years. And their prime years varies so.

Amateur, PBF wins several GG titles. 1st Point to PBF.
Rookie years goes to PBF, was undefeated, won every championship fight. Pac loses 2x by KO & suffered a draw. PBF 2-0.
Prime years, Floyd remained undefeated, while Pac lost and drew 2x. Point to PBF 3-0
Demise. Pac loses 2 bad decisions Bradley & Horn, but blows away Thurman and rematched Bradley to an easy win. Yet got KTFO'd by JMM.
Pac has lost in his rookie years, prime & past prime, Floyd hasn't. 4-0 for PBF in assessing greatness by periods/era.

side note-
Manny from 126-140lbs Typically came in at a heavier weight fight night than Floyd does. take Pac day before vs Diaz 134 1/2. rehydrates up to 147-or 2 weight classes. For those who say they don't like weight bullies. That is a significant weight increase on under 24 hours.

As far as JMM per Floyd's catchweight? No title fight and Foyd didnt use size to push or muscle Juan, he just outboxed him.
Against Cotto, DLH, Mosley--- PBF came in the lighter fighter.

Pac fights DLH & Hatton coming off a loss to Floyd Their wins were Forbes & Malinaggi.
Fought Rito coming off a TKO to Mosey.
Fought Clottey who came off a lost to Cotto. 2x he fights for a title at catchweight Cotto & Rito.
Title Fightsac 19-4-2 per boxrec & wiki. Floyd is 26-0

Pac is one of the few greats that never won more than one title at a time & I'm not sure how that happened. Not like he belonged to a promoter with few in the stable. Plus Pac name has always generated A side ...so how does a great fighter in 6 to 8 weight classes contain other fighters that had belts...& he can only get one? Only wants one per time?

Pac has lost each time he fought for multiple belts.
Pac has shown throughout his career, counter punchers significantly reduce his punch output.
Floyd has shown throughout his career he dictates the punch output of himself and his foe, that is the definition of Ring Generalship, IMO.
PBF has the greatest connect rate per offense and the lowest hit rate per defense.
PBF has been dropped 1x ( a scraped glove on the canvas causing a standing 8) Pac has been KTFO'd 3x. 2draws (one draw IMO was bogus Pac should've won it)

On a scale of excitement, Manny wins hands down. His beatdowns of MAB, Cotto, DLH, Margarito, just awesome.
In terms of accomplishment, he held one title at a time, won 2x off catchweights. 1st title is regional, not a world one. Somehow deemed an 8 division champ who has weighed from 2002-2019 a disparity of only 9 lbs.(138-147) That's a lot of weight classes in 9 lbs.

Pac is prone to counters, has been dropped, outboxed & busted up by Morales I. Countered to death by Floyd & JMM twice, some say 3 or all 4.
There is little comparison per legacy wise. But as far as bringing the pain, Pac wins that hands down.

 

Bitter? Yeah, alright.
Must be fun living with a closed circuit for a mind, buddy.
All you need to do is write longer paragraphs with no original (read: previously not said by Floyd) thoughts at all and i’ll have another @Shadow to laugh about on my “casual” visit of this forum.

 

There's clearly an argument to be made for both men, but I have Floyd above Manny.

I love Manny, but what he has done in the sport has been done before and will be done again. That is, he moved up the ranks quickly winning belts but rarely being lineal or close to undisputed. He often fought fighters at the tail ends of their prime/career and usually at the right weight for him and not the other way around. Pac has had 7 losses and IMO got at least two gifts against JMM. He has lost by KO, KTFO and been outboxed more than once. His longevity is awesome, but it's something we're seeing more and more and I expect it to become less impressive as time goes on. Manny is still an incredible ATG talent who has delivered amazing fights to all of us.

IMO Floyd has not only put together a great resume with no losses, but he never looked badly hurt and barely ever even looked vulnerable. He completely obliterated multiple guys that were supposed to give him trouble and outboxed everyone he got in the ring with. He was devastating at the lower weights and untouchable at the higher ones. Also, the fact he cruised to an easy win against Manny can never be forgotten.

 

Not very objective.

 

They clearly state that both polls were done by a panel of boxing writers.
This is the ESPN panel
The top 25 pound-for-pound boxers of the past 25 years will be revealed over eight days. The voters were the following: Teddy Atlas, Brian Campbell, Nigel Collins, Wallace Matthews, Carlos Narvaez, Bernardo Pilatti, Dan Rafael, Eric Raskin and Salvador Rodriguez.

This the Ring

THE RING decided to ask some of the most knowledgeable boxing historians and writers to give us their opinions in the form of a poll. Specifically, we asked 20 of them to rank their Top 20 modern fighters pound for pound. We used the International Boxing Hall of Fame’s criterion for “modern”: Last bout no earlier than 1943.


Let me guess this forum full of agenda having trolls alts haters and fanbois are more credible than they are? PBF was 1st on the ESPN list and 12th on the Ring list and the ring list was before PBF fought Pac.

 

Excellent post.

 

Actually it was very well reasoned and thought out and objective. Pac did lose and was KOEd and had trouble with counter punchers just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not true.

 

Haha, using the same fl0m0 logic as yours, I bet it reads like a masterpiece.

 

You can't handle the truth so of course you don't like it. Everything he said was spot on except I don't factor in amateur record when talking about pro careers and greatness.

 

What this really comes down to is how much Pac can still accomplish. Thurman was rusty and more of a top 5ish welter than a guy at the top. It was a good win, but doesn’t dramatically change Pac’s standing.

Pac never beat the man at 135, 147, or 154 and is therefore behind Mayweather.

If Pac beats Crawford or Spence, he gets to be ranked ahead.

 

Oh stfu fl0m0.

 

118-100 Still bitter log off dumbass.