I'm surprised anyone here actually thought he beat Fury. Even Holy was completely blown away by the verdict. Imo Wilder is the undisputed champion of the world today...though I admit to ignorance regarding the top contender of the day (damn me for forgetting his name).
George Foreman thought Wilder won. Wilder threw more punches in 11 of the 12 rounds. And Wilder scored two knockdowns. No heavyweight champion has ever lost his title in a fight where he scored two or more knockdowns and wasn't knocked down himself. It's perfectly fine if people thought Wilder won. He successfully defended his title. Evander Holyfield, who was "blown away" by the verdict, received a draw against Lennox Lewis in their title fight. And Holyfield didn't floor Lewis TWICE during the fight.
That was the joke I was making Rules... Nah but to compare Wilder to Marciano is as ridiculous as comparing Stiverne to Ezzard Charles
I'm so sorry, I boo-booed. I meant I'm shocked anyone though Fury won. So stupid of me. And Holy also thought Wilder won, rightfully so.
I had Deontay ahead three points in the Fury fight, all three times I watched it. I'd be shocked to hear anyone say Fury won that fight convincingly...
Wilder struggles at infighting like Marciano struggled with fighting on the outside. One guy was a dwarf with the shortest arms of any heavyweight champ. The other is a giant with one of the longest reaches in heavyweight history. You can count the number of 6'9" 260-pound switch-hitting heavyweight champions Rocky fought on none of his stubby fingers.
Yeah, maybe Wilder should fight the light heavyweight champ Kovalev next. Would he be relevant? Marciano, Louis, Charles, Holmes, Dempsey, Ali, Frazier ... all fought the light heavy champ. Wilder isn't any heavier than most of them were. Or would you rip him for that, too? Deontay Wilder is a fine heavyweight champion.
Him fighting against Usyk would be better than any win he has so far, so I kind of agree that he could fight lower weightclass champion. Marciano beat: Roland LaStarza Rex Layne Joe Louis Harry Matthews Jersey Joe Walcott Ezzard Charles Archie Moore all arguably better than Wilder's best win. Louis beat: Primo Carnera Max Baer Paulino Uzcudun Jack Sharkey Bob Pastor Jim Braddock Tommy Farr Max Schmeling Arturo Godoy Buddy Baer Billy Conn Lou Nova Jersey Joe Walcott all arguably better than Wilder's best win. Charles beat: Joe Louis Jersey Joe Walcott Rex Layne Jimmy Bivins Joey Maxim Elmer Ray all arguably better than Wilder's best win. Holmes beat: Earnie Shavers Ken Norton Trevor Berbick Gerry Cooney Tim Whitespoon Carl Williams Ray Mercer all arguably better than Wilder's best win. Dempsey beat: Gunboat Smith Bill Brennan Billy Miske Fred Fulton Jess Willard Tommy Gibbons Jack Sharkey all arguably better than Wilder's best win. Ali beat: Doug Jones Sonny Liston Floyd Patterson Ernie Terrell Zora Folley Jerry Quarrey Oscar Bonavena Joe Frazier Jimmy Ellis Buster Mathis Mac Foster Ken Norton George Foreman Ron Lyle Earnie Shavers all arguably better than Wilder's best win. Frazier beat: Oscar Bonavena Eddie Machen Buster Mathis Jerry Quarry Jimmy Ellis all arguably better than Wilder's best win. Wlider's best wins are: Luis Ortiz Bermane Stiverne Gerald Washington Dominic Breazale or Artur Szpilka The last two aren't even worth mentioning. I didn't mention better fighters than Washington in others resumes. Wilder fought against Marlon Hayes, 5'9 middleweight who didn't fight 5 years before Wilder fight. The fight lasted 4 rounds and the KO was questioned. Why would he be ashamed of fighting the best of the LHW or CW divisions if he fought nobody from MW?
You totally ignored Kovalev. I think you're right. I think Wilder should just fight champions from now on. Fight Kovalev. Fight Beterbiev. Fight Gvozdyk. Fight Briedis. Fight Bivol. Fight Dorticos. Fight Andy Ruiz. Fight Fury. That's what "the greats" everyone loved did. Except, if Wilder started demolishing light heavys and cruiserweights, everyone's heads would explode.