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And Marciano isn't 6"7 weighing 215lbs.

If.

Well it wouldn't be. Given that Marciano-Walcott was more entertaining and that Marciano is better than Wilder and Walcott is better than Fury.

Fine champions don't duck there number 1 contenders and duck the other champions in the division.

Nah if he just fought the best like Marciano did we wouldn't have a problem. But he's only fought one live opponent in 42 fights, he robbed him and he was actually seen as a soft touch by most going into the fight.
And Usyk, Hunter and Gassiev would be by far his best wins.

We don't... We want him to fight the best. He doesn't do that.

Don't be silly. When Marciano fought Moore, Walcott and Charles they were established HWs. It would be more comparable to if he beat Hunter.

Ruiz/Joshua would be fine. But he wanted nothing from Joshua which is a shame coz he wouldn't done him bad. And earned a 100 million more than he would from anyone else in the process

 

Tenth straight WBC title defense up next.

 

Twins. Like Arnold and DeVito ..

 

I haven't laughed like that in a while, cheers

 

Thanks. I was pretty happy with that.

Truth is, Walcott was clearly easier to beat than Fury. Jersey Joe was old and had lost 18 times before Marciano showed up.

On top of it, Fury is nine inches taller, has a foot reach and is 60 pounds heavier (when he's in shape) than Walcott.

Yet still, after 12 completed rounds, Walcott had floored Marciano and was way ahead on the official cards. After 12 with Wilder, Fury had been down twice and was even on the cards.

Wilder will make round 1 of the rematch round 13.

 

Except Walcott wasn't way ahead, the fight was close with edge to Joe.
Wilder lost more rounds than Fury and only KDs helped him to get a gift decision.

 

no.

 

Rocky couldn't win a decision with three rounds to go. That's way ahead.

 

Like hell.

Wilder beats both. Fury beats both. Fury could go 22-20 over the next 10 years, basically fighting four times a year and losing half of them EVERY YEAR, and EQUAL Walcott's stellar record.

 

I actually agree. But for there size. Both are more skilled than there counter parts in the equation. Walcott is levels above the 3 of them.

Fury could also have a 11 kids, be malnourished, under trained and do construction work. But if he was wouldn't have beaten Klitschko...

Walcott never had an actual prime. He didn't train right for it or have the management to help pay him what he needed. Yet he should have a win over Joe Louis, Has 2 over Ezzard Charles, one over Johnson, 2 over Maxim and one over Bivins

That, regardless of losses, shits all over Wilder and Fury's résumé. In fact **** it, throw Joshua's in there as well.

Walcott>>>

 

Light heavys. Again, do you want Wilder and Fury to start fighting light heavys? Seems like that's what you want.

Walcott was Buster Douglas if Douglas had made one CONTROVERSIAL successful defense instead of none.

The fourth Walcott-Charles fight was considered a bad decision, like Ellis-Patterson. In fact, it was televised live and the feed went out before the decision was announced (like Ellis-Patterson). And everyone watching the fight on TV thought Charles had regained the crown. Arthur Daley for the NY Times said every reporter he spoke to at ringside had Charles winning. Daley scored it 11-3-1 in favor of Charles.

Truth be told, Walcott lost every fight to Charles except for the one where he scored a freak once-in-a-lifetime knockout.

Walcott wasn't considered anything great while he was active. When Marciano retired undefeated, historians viewed Walcott in a better light. That's all.

I believe, among modern heavyweight champs, Walcott and Charles are the losingest to be inducted into the Hall of Fame, but Charles gets a lot of slack because more than half of his losses came at a heavier weight when he was well past his best.

Walcott lost consistently throughout his career.

 

Let's wait when Wilder will become undisputed champion, because so far he hasn't show anything to call him the one. You can hate Rocky as much as you wish, but he was the man in his era and he fought the best fighters he could. Wilder hasn't done that so far and I doubt he will.

 

No. We want them to face the best. They don't do that. Walcotts best at the time were HWs who had moved up from LHW.

Walcott was 190lbs. The guys I mentioned were about that as well. Plus Joe Louis and Elmer Ray out Weighed him.

1. Walcott is levels above Douglas. Levels. Walcott is a top 15 HW. Douglas isn't top 40.
2. That would bring his tally up to one more than Fury...

Yes I know. But the second fight was considered a bad decision. So either way he'd still have 2 wins over Ezzard Charles.

Wrong. They were all close even if he didn't win them in some eyes. But the second was viewed as a bad decision, like the 4th but the other way round.

Also watch how he set up that KO. He did feints and slips to drop Louis and Marciano, it wasn't a freak KO.

So kinda like Wilder and Fury?

No. He has some great wins, and should have a few more. He was a top contender of his day who set the record for oldest HW champion ever. Until Foreman smashed it.
I'm bot saying he's great. I'm saying he's better, and greater, than Wilder and Fury. Which given he's a top 20 HW staple. And they'd be lucky to see top 40 right now isn't ridiculous.

I think you'd be right.

Yeah. Interesting fact. 13 of 25 losses came after Marciano 2. Which is where he had absolutely nothing left.

Again. 11 kids. Poorly trained. Malnourished. Part Time boxer.

Anyone who was fighting under these conditions would have picked up losses. And Walcott was fighting every couple of weeks in his early career.

 

I can name very few lineal HW champions with worse resume than Wilder has so far. They are absolutely the worst champions like Marvin Hart or Leon Spinks. Someone like Ingemar has better career than Wilder and nobody calls him ATG. At least he beat undefeated Machen and HW champion Patterson. Both wins are better, more important than anything Wilder has done so far and Ingemar isn't top 30 HW ever, maybe even not top 40.

 

Ingemar johanson better resume than wilder?

I think what dubblechin is getting at is that h2h, wilder's best opponents (fury, Ortiz, etc) would demolish machen and Patterson. I agree. Machen and Patterson might be more skilled (debatable), but in an actual fight I don't see them winning.

Ditto for wilder vs Ingemar, that would be like a a guy with a slingshot vs a guy with a catapult. Ingemar would make the brezeale fight look competitive.

Changing the subject to talk about "p4p" or that heavies were smaller on average in prior eras is exactly why we keep bumping heads on this forum. Either we consider HW 1 singular weight class and hold everyone to the same standard or we shift the goal posts.