Is Andre Michael Ward An ATG...???

I'm not out to dis your opinion but do see it a fair bit different

We are talking SMW here (our conversation not thread) not other divisions. Collins didn't lose to Johnson at SMW which was a debatable loss
At SMW, Collins has far greater wins. You say Collins missed out on Jones which was because Jones moved up.
Ward didn't show interest in facing Bute, so seems to get credit for Frochs win.
Collins did face Eubank who was more accomplished than Jones at that time and with a far greater resume at the weight.
So at SMW Collins has a greater resume in world title fights overall.
Collins was just one example and I could name others (I have followed SMW from day one).
On achievement I could name others.

Kessler I don't think was near prime. He hadn't been massively active and was suffering eye problems.
Abraham wasn't a top SMW and coming off 2 S6 losses.
Froch was on a run of debatable win against Dirrell, loss to faded Kessler coming off a loss, win against Abraham coming off a loss, debatable win over faded Johnson.
Not saying the Kessler and Froch wins weren't good. They were but I think overhyped due to calling the fights the S6.

Ward didn't really clear it out. He beat Kessler who beat Froch who beat Bute but never once faced any when prime or undefeated. In fact what top undefeated SMWs did Ward face?
P4P is a fictional thing and just a person's opinion but because it is in a magazine that calls itself the Bible of boxing people fall hook line and sinker.
Ottke did more at SMW and left the division undefeated, so did Calzaghe. Ward wasn't around to face all. He didn't face Dirrell, didn't seem interested in Bute and Degale who were boxer movers.
Kessler before his loss to Calzaghe did more at SMW than Ward had unified WBC and WBA titles and was 39-0.

I thought Kovalev had beaten Ward and was surprised by the result

 

If Kov was standing upright they'd have hit his friggin knees
ROFLMAO Ward was aiming those testes punches DELIBERATELY Ward is a obnoxious hypocritical dirty fighter PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

bigger than Kessler in Denmark, Froch in Nottingham which I think both returns were mentioned
I would guess that if he had have gone for a Bute fight it would have been bigger in Canada
Only my opinion

 

Yes there was no better money offers for Ward to fight any of the names you mentioned in those locations,you just have to look at how big the fight purses and how much revenue was made from any of the previous fights in those locations in comparison to Wards fights in America.

I know your not a fan of Ward but as you would know he was never a draw and made mediocre money compared to the other top P4P fighters so if any of them could have come up with a big money stadium fight I have no doubt he would have fought in any of those countries.

I don't think there's any evidence to suggest he was avoiding fighting outside of the states,it seemed like he was pushing for a big money fight with heavier guys including Bellew when he was champ which probably would have ended up being a stadium show over there.

 

Not sure how much sense that makes CJ seeing that Ward was simply adjusting to Kovalev’s positioning. We can argue the semantics all day, still the fact remains Kovalev was depreciated by “legal” body shots....point blank period. Disagreeing with that is more a matter of denial and unacceptance not fact or fiction. I can’t debate personal interpretations with the goal of creating one answer for full closure.

He didn’t have a need to purposely attack Kovalev’s private’s based on the trajectory of the fight and Kovalev’s reactions to perfectly legal belt line blows. There’s no argument here, if you believe Ward is a hypocrite and you find his persona obnoxious those are considered personal opinions and they add no value to this debate. If anything your disdain for Ward only further weakens your position. Its obvious you can’t compartmentalize and/or separate his valid work in the ring when you’re busy looking for fouls to stroke your existing negative beliefs about his style and strategy.

I get it, I just refuse to agree with it.

 

Read the M of Q rules of boxing. The NAVEL is considered the foul line in boxing. Regardless what referees say they cannot change that. Referee's job is to enforce the laws njot make their own. Watch that fight again. If the roles had been reversed & Kov fought dirty you'd have been screaming for his head

 

I’ve already mentioned examples and reinforced my neural position. You’re being presumptuous by claiming I change rules based on what favors the fighter I’m rooting for. Rules are made to transcend and neutralize natural biases, rules are also susceptible to be molded in order to fit the current bout....extra trimmings, higher trunks, longer hair ect. Conceptually speaking the rules bend but never break, that’s not even being questioned here.

Answer me this, how are we judging where the navel lands when the trunks cover it? The belt line distinction by the referee removes the ambiguity of guessing what’s low or not. It’s completely impractical to think a referee will decide on what straddles the line between above and below the navel.

Should I continue or can we agree to disagree, you’ll save face if we settle on having different perceptions, and @mirkofilipovic the troll can continue liking your posts.

 

It's not worth arguing with some of these guys who are in total denial about what actually happened in that 2nd fight,exaggerating about the number of actual accidental low blows while ignoring facts such as the ones you what bought up and also continuing to make up unfounded accusations about Ward career being a dirty fighter with little evidence to back it up especially in comparison to guys like Hopkins whose career was filled with illegal tactics

 

People need to stop complaining about wards wins over kovalev. The first was a close fight which was decided for Ward. As many have claimed in regards to Fury vs Wilder, one knockdown doesn't decide a fight. Every round was close so you cant claim a robbery if judges thought ward edged a few more than kovalev. I disagreed with the decision at the time but after watching it again I saw how close every round really was. The second fight was a gutless display by kovalev. He was well on his way to getting stopped and was complaining to the ref about body shots that were clean, then shamelessly ran and bent over at the waist when he was in trouble looking for a way out instead of just taking a knee and living to fight another round. You cant say ward intentiionally went low when he was trying to go for the stoppage and kov bent over illegally to protect himself. I say this as a huge fan of prime kovalev

 

Only a complete hater or a person who knows nothing about boxing or both wouldn't rate ward an atg. Great resume and dared to be great.

 

He didnt clearly duck bute clown. Bute had yet to prove himself yet he was trying to get a fight with ward. As soon as bute stepped up he was thoroughly thrashed by a guy ward beat going away. With or without ward is an atg.

 

Yet you have ggg as one when ward is 10000 times more accomplished. You have no shame and have an agenda log off.

 

Yet like you said when weeks worked the pbf-maidana fight he called it right down the middle??? You have no credibility log off dumbass

 

If ward isnt an atg then no active fighter with the exception of pac is an atg because he accomplished more than any of them.

 

Ward is overrated. Hardly HOF.