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Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by BoxingDialogue, Aug 26, 2019.


  1. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You were talking about top 5 fighters, now you talk about lineal champions. Nice to see you changing your narrative.
     
  2. Dubblechin

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    It's not a loss, either. It certainly doesn't warrant pretending it never happened, like you guys PRETEND to do all the time. Especially when we can watch Wilder planting Fury in the floor twice in that fight millions of times on Youtube.
     
  3. Dubblechin

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    I'm not changing anything. They are the top two heavyweights. They're fighting again AFTER Wilder fights another top five fighter AGAIN.

    FREAKING ENJOY IT instead of complaining he isn't fighting Joseph Parker.
     
  4. 70sFan865

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    So you agree that Fury draw is the best performance we've seen from Wilder so far? That doesn't sound like an ATG resume for me.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

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    Parker would be his best win a very long distance....
    Ortiz is current top 5? Ortiz isn't even top top 5 if you don't include Wilder in the top 5.
    No but he could've accepted the 120 million off Joshua.
    Joshua got up four times and wasn't allowed to continue. He didn't quit.
    Whyte passed his hearing. He won't be banned. And by the logic of he's been busted twice so he's a cheat I can say Ortiz is clear cheat. And even if he was about to be banned. He's been his number one for 2 years. And he still has yet to fight him and has turned down offers 4 times his highest purse at the time.
    Why you keep coming out with such bollocks
    And yet he still lost. And it's not confirmed there fighting in February.
    1. Wilder isn't the second best HW in the world. Ruiz is.
    2. People weren't happy with the bull**** decision.

    And wasn't the Wlad-Fury rematch signed. Never happened. It's not confirmed. Nothing is with Fury.
    No. Especially not Kovalev, had he fought Parker when the were both making Defencws and the two over titles (WBA, IBF) were up for Wlad Joshua it was the most logical fight.
     
  6. 70sFan865

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    I enjoyed it, that was great and exciting fight to watch. It doesn't make me blind though, that was at best third relevant Wilder fight. I don't complain that he didn't fight Parker INSTEAD, but that he didn't fight someone like him before or after. That's huge difference.
     
  7. BitPlayerVesti

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    I wonder how consistent you are with this reasoning.

    Do you think Tommy Gibbons is vastly better than James Toney since Gibbons had half the losses in significantly more fights?
    Do you think McFarland is vastly better than Pacquiao, since it's 106-1-6 (or there abouts) vs 62-7-6?
    Jack Johnson is obviously a lot better than Holyfield since it's 71-11-11 vs 44-10-2.
    And Young Stribling 256-16-17 is clearly way better than Roy Jones Jr 66-9.
     
  8. Dubblechin

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    When did I agree to that?

    It was one of Wilder's worst performances. He came in way too light and his timing was off all night. Still, he threw more punches in every round but one and scored two hard knockdowns.

    It was arguably Fury's best performance.

    I expect Wider to finish him quicker next time.
     
  9. George Crowcroft

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    Yes. And they are only successful title defences in excusers eyes
     
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  10. 70sFan865

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    You expect that, but we can't assume that.

    Fury's best performance was against Wladimir, who was far better and greater fighter than Wilder.
     
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  11. Dubblechin

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    I have no idea what you're talking about.

    I said Jersey Joe Walcott was an easier out than Tyson Fury. Walcott lost 18 times before Marciano ever fought him.

    If you think Tyson Fury -- the switch-hitting, 6'9" 260 pound lineal champ - is easier to beat than Walcott, good luck with that.
     
  12. Dubblechin

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    If you think the Wlad fight was Fury's best performance, then you need to rewatch Tyson Fury fights. LOL

    It was his biggest win, it was in no way his best performance.

    George Foreman's biggest win may have been knocking out Moorer to regain the title at 45, but I don't think anyone would say that was his best performance.
     
  13. 70sFan865

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    Yeah because it's easier to look good against lesser competition. That's why you believe that Wilder was bad against Fury, Tysom made him look like that.
     
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  14. BitPlayerVesti

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    I asking if you judge other fighters the way you are judging Fury Vs Walcott.

    For what it's worth I don't think it's hard to argue Fury, the guy who had fought two nobies, since being out of the ring for nearly 3 years during which he ballooned in weight and had drug problem, is an easier fight than an active champion coming off a win over a former champion. The other key difference is Rocky won.
     
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  15. 70sFan865

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    Walcott was also switch-hitter. I'm not Walcott fan actually but the difference is that Rocky beat Walcott. Wilder didn't beat Fury.