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Is Sergey Kovalev Really As Badly Past It As People Seem To Think He Is?

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Hi-Tek-Lomo said: ↑

He's fine. Did you see how his body looked vs. Yarde? That's the best he has ever looked physically.
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How does being a tad more muscular or lean help you with your stamina, reflexes, speed, conditioning.

Its boxing not bodybuilding.

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hes a little less, post prime.

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How does being a tad more muscular or lean help you with your stamina, reflexes, speed, conditioning.

Its boxing not bodybuilding.
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It helps quite a bit actually. You obviously don't have any understanding of human physiology.

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Hi-Tek-Lomo said: ↑

It helps quite a bit actually. You obviously don't have any understanding of human physiology.
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Oh ye cos I'm guessing you're a renowned figure in human biology & physiology

Everyone's a ****ing expert at everything online LOL

Different strokes for different folks in this sport mate.. look at Fury & Toney.. they wobble lol but still flow beautifully in a ring..

Kovalevs physique pretty much looked like it always did .. but he's not up on his toes so much now & lacks the snap he used to have.. which is natural at 36.. your punch resistance fades also.. six pack or no six pack

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"Kovalev pretty much looked like he always did physically"...Plus mentally tougher, he's no worse than most
top level guys @ 36yrs, he's doing OK.

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in post prime but fine for now. check back at 37, that the real time he will dip.

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Liquorice said: ↑

Oh ye cos I'm guessing you're a renowned figure in human biology & physiology

Everyone's a ****ing expert at everything online LOL

Different strokes for different folks in this sport mate.. look at Fury & Toney.. they wobble lol but still flow beautifully in a ring..

Kovalevs physique pretty much looked like it always did .. but he's not up on his toes so much now & lacks the snap he used to have.. which is natural at 36.. your punch resistance fades also.. six pack or no six pack
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Yes, I am. Now stfu

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CST80 said: ↑

I'll try to keep this one relatively concise for a change.

Dmitry Bivol got badly rocked twice by Joe Smith Jr. in a fight he otherwise dominated. Also was badly rocked by Jean Pascal, in a fight he otherwise dominated. Although, talking about featherfisted. Bivol can't crack an egg, not even 2 thoroughly tenderized by Kovalev and Gvozdyk eggs.

Artur Beterbiev struggled to stop Koelling, and was seconds away from being KO'd by Callum Johnson. Then looked like a skill less flailing maniac against Hot Rod Kaladzjic, and genuinely dreadfully bad

Oleksandr Gvozdyk looked like absolute ass against Mehdi Amar, and seemed to gas badly late and get rocked a few times in the 11th and 12th.

Yet none of them got the **** Kovalev got for being hurt by a legit puncher, having one bad round, then coming back in dominant fashion, taking the fight back over, pushing the pace and stopping his man brutally with a ****ing jab. Also, as stated before, Yarde had more power than most of Sergey's recent opposition, yet he took the power to the body and head, and didn't go down, showed mental toughness and grit and fought his way through it.

So, Anthony Yarde as one note as he might be, is he really any worse then Joe Smith Jr or Mehdi Amar, who Bivol and Gvozdyk dominated but had a few scary moments against? Is he a little better?

Callum Johnson and Jean Pascal are both technically superior, but Yarde has more power than Pascal, and Johnson lost his **** and fought like a macho balls out stark raving lunatic against Beterbiev, not like the solid fighter with a punishing jab and good fundamentals that he is. So he reduced himself to the level of Yarde. So it still kind of evens out.

Now look, I don't think Yarde is some next level world beater, but we also don't really know just how good or bad he really is. Who knows, he might go out and KO'd a Marcus Browne, Badou Jack or Buatsi next time out. Skill wise, he's not appalling, but especially with his idiot of a trainer, he's nothing special, but he's clearly tough as nails and we know he's got power based on how quickly he'd KO'd a few guys that in some cases, had never been stopped before. So just based on that, he'll probably pose a few issues for guys that aren't next level technicians. He's basically a Light Heavyweight Lemieux.

Also... Kovalev is one fight removed from shutting out a top tier fighter like Eleider Alvarez, a fighter who stopped him and had never lost before. He took the man's 0. It's not because Alvarez had the wrong strategy, Kovalev just out thought and negated everything this top boxer with a solid skillset brought to the table the second time around. He was one step ahead from beginning to end. This is an Alvarez who was coming off of destroying Bute, something Jack and DeGale couldn't do, and schooling Pascal (who went on to beat the crap out of Marcus Browne) about as well as Bivol did.

With the exception of the 8th round in the Yarde match, these are two DOMINANT wins from the Krusher. Something many seem to not be processing, because they're judging him by a different standard and placing far greater expectations on him than they are the other 3 Eastern European monsters, who have had equally problematic performances as of late that one could easily over analyze and find big faults with.

So...being fair minded and taking all of this into consideration, does it change any of your opinions about Kovalev's performance? What really was all that worrying? He had 1, maybe two bad rounds. No worse than the other young guns in their recent outings.
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Prime Kovalev doesn't lose to Alvarez or nearly get KOed by Yarde. He is still a good boxer and his turnaround after round 8 against Yarde was impressive but he isn't the fighter he was.

Getting his titles stolen through corruption probably caused a lot of mental anguish and he is getting on in age.

I'd like to see him fight the yellow Chicken but not if they boil him down to an unsafe weight.

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gdm said: ↑

Kovalev from cleverly fight would stop yarde in 2-3 rounds. Yes he is shot .
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Excuses, excuses...

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CST80 said: ↑

I'll try to keep this one relatively concise for a change.

Dmitry Bivol got badly rocked twice by Joe Smith Jr. in a fight he otherwise dominated. Also was badly rocked by Jean Pascal, in a fight he otherwise dominated. Although, talking about featherfisted. Bivol can't crack an egg, not even 2 thoroughly tenderized by Kovalev and Gvozdyk eggs.

Artur Beterbiev struggled to stop Koelling, and was seconds away from being KO'd by Callum Johnson. Then looked like a skill less flailing maniac against Hot Rod Kaladzjic, and genuinely dreadfully bad

Oleksandr Gvozdyk looked like absolute ass against Mehdi Amar, and seemed to gas badly late and get rocked a few times in the 11th and 12th.

Yet none of them got the **** Kovalev got for being hurt by a legit puncher, having one bad round, then coming back in dominant fashion, taking the fight back over, pushing the pace and stopping his man brutally with a ****ing jab. Also, as stated before, Yarde had more power than most of Sergey's recent opposition, yet he took the power to the body and head, and didn't go down, showed mental toughness and grit and fought his way through it.

So, Anthony Yarde as one note as he might be, is he really any worse then Joe Smith Jr or Mehdi Amar, who Bivol and Gvozdyk dominated but had a few scary moments against? Is he a little better?

Callum Johnson and Jean Pascal are both technically superior, but Yarde has more power than Pascal, and Johnson lost his **** and fought like a macho balls out stark raving lunatic against Beterbiev, not like the solid fighter with a punishing jab and good fundamentals that he is. So he reduced himself to the level of Yarde. So it still kind of evens out.

Now look, I don't think Yarde is some next level world beater, but we also don't really know just how good or bad he really is. Who knows, he might go out and KO'd a Marcus Browne, Badou Jack or Buatsi next time out. Skill wise, he's not appalling, but especially with his idiot of a trainer, he's nothing special, but he's clearly tough as nails and we know he's got power based on how quickly he'd KO'd a few guys that in some cases, had never been stopped before. So just based on that, he'll probably pose a few issues for guys that aren't next level technicians. He's basically a Light Heavyweight Lemieux.

Also... Kovalev is one fight removed from shutting out a top tier fighter like Eleider Alvarez, a fighter who stopped him and had never lost before. He took the man's 0. It's not because Alvarez had the wrong strategy, Kovalev just out thought and negated everything this top boxer with a solid skillset brought to the table the second time around. He was one step ahead from beginning to end. This is an Alvarez who was coming off of destroying Bute, something Jack and DeGale couldn't do, and schooling Pascal (who went on to beat the crap out of Marcus Browne) about as well as Bivol did.

With the exception of the 8th round in the Yarde match, these are two DOMINANT wins from the Krusher. Something many seem to not be processing, because they're judging him by a different standard and placing far greater expectations on him than they are the other 3 Eastern European monsters, who have had equally problematic performances as of late that one could easily over analyze and find big faults with.

So...being fair minded and taking all of this into consideration, does it change any of your opinions about Kovalev's performance? What really was all that worrying? He had 1, maybe two bad rounds. No worse than the other young guns in their recent outings.
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This reminds me when aging Wlad struggled with Jennings and people started saying that Wlad is still good, but Jennings is a super duper boxer, who neutralized Klitschko and would become a top boxer soon.

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drenlou said: ↑

Excuses, excuses...
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Yea because normally fighters are at their peak at 36 right?

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Hi-Tek-Lomo said: ↑

It helps quite a bit actually. You obviously don't have any understanding of human physiology.
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I've trained for aesthetics and I've trained for strength. They are not the same thing.

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gdm said: ↑

Yea because normally fighters are at their peak at 36 right?
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I just think you wouldn't be making these excuses if Kovalev wasn't being talked about for a fight with Canelo.. You're already trying to diminish a potential Canelo victory

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Heavy_Hitter said: ↑

This reminds me when aging Wlad struggled with Jennings and people started saying that Wlad is still good, but Jennings is a super duper boxer, who neutralized Klitschko and would become a top boxer soon.
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Jennings isn't a top boxer.

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the punch is the last thing lost look at kovalev this guy is no longer the same as before is a slow guy with less intelligent combinations

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