Wilder vs ATGs?

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    By my definition of ATG, at HW so top 10.
    And then further more fringe ATGs, so top 20.

    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Lennox Lewis
    4. Larry Holmes
    5. Wladimir Klitschko
    6. George Foreman
    7. Jack Johnson
    8. Joe Frazier
    9. Sonny Liston
    10. Evander Holyfield
    11. Mike Tyson
    12. Rocky Marciano
    13. Floyd Patterson
    14. Ezzard Charles
    15. Jersey Joe Walcott
    16. Max Schmeling
    17. Riddick Bowe
    18. Jack Dempsey
    19. Ken Norton
    20. Chris Byrd

    How many does he beat?
    I got him beating Patterson, Schmeling, Johnson, Norton, Walcott and Charles.
     
  2. roughdiamond

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    You got him beating Walcott but not Byrd?
     
  3. George Crowcroft

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    There's a game plan set for Byrd, the same one Usyk should use and Spzilka layed out. It's a southpaw thing.

    I don't have him 100% beating Walcott anyway, like 55-45. Walcott could move all night and walk him on to counters. Or Wilder could lunge into a huge punch that ends him. He's dangerous all night.
     
  4. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder loses to them all. He has done nothing yet to be mentioned in their same breath.

    First thing I would suggest is that Wilder learn how to fight.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

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    Wilder loses to Norton?
     
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    I think he could beat quite a few of them, but most should be favored right now.

    Schmeling might have too short reach to deal with Wilder, but I bet he'd give him boxing lesson. Would he last 12 rounds? Not sure, but it's not impossible. Wilder is much simpler fighter than Louis, but I don't know if Schmeling's physical tools are enough.

    Norton would likely lose to him, because he didn't take punches well. Wilder would find him with his right at some point. On the other hand, Norton's body attacks would be dangerous for Wilder.

    Bowe fight would be interesting too.
     
  7. Golden_Feather99

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    I'd favour Wilder over Johnson, Byrd, Norton, Dempsey, Patterson, Charles, Walcott, Marciano, Schmeling. He might even chin Frazier and Louis.
     
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  8. HOUDINI

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    You can only “imagine” Wilder beating anyone as he is a one trick pony. No defense, no even rudimentary knowledge of boxing’s basics, no jab, no footwork. Right hand power yes and he does appear to be confident and determined to win (a huge plus). At this stage it’s a huge slap in the face of those listed to say he beats any of them. Wilder as if today does not “qualify”. Possibly one day but he has plenty to prove and improve upon before then.
     
  9. 70sFan865

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    People trash old timers as always, but what makes Bowe so much better than Wilder? He fought brilliant series against Holy, but the rest of his career is very underwhelming.
     
  10. George Crowcroft

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    He actually fought a couple of contenders on the way to the title. Also his wins over Golota, even by dq are on par with anything Wilder has done in his title reign
     
  11. George Crowcroft

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    First of all. Use the Reply button. It makes life much easier.

    And no, I can judge based off what I've seen, why he beats guys like Norton. To say he can't beat anyone here is ridiculous. Outside of Foreman, Ali, Holmes and Tyson he has a punches chance against all of them.
     
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    Many fighters have a punchers chance that does not make them odds on to actually win.
     
  13. George Crowcroft

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    Again. Use the Reply button.

    And his puncher's chance against Norton, Patterson and Johnson is higher than there chance of beating him.
     
  14. HOUDINI

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    Ridiculous statement.
     
  15. George Crowcroft

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    No where near as ridiculous as saying that Marciano wasn't as skilled as Lomachenko or Usyk...