Rate the following heavyweights on H2H ability and skill

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  1. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Maybe a bit higher than Gorman in terms of what he brings to the table against the top 20, but he has reached his ceiling in how far he will reach in the HW imo.

    He beat the weakest Chisora, literally, Chisora was not in that fight, he needs an 02 arena to get him primed up, which we all know anyway.

    At the end of the day, Kabayel is irrelevant right now, nowhere to be seen.... Chisora is on the rise, and has achieved tons to date.
     
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  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Nope. The sublime slickness of The Gypsy King and Agit Kayabel has clearly triggered you and ruffled your feathers to the maximum degree because your boy Dillian is about as slick as a hippopotamus in quicksand.

    Let's just keep our fingers crossed that the BBBOC don't swing that axe too hard on Dillian and don't hit him with a 4 or 8 year ban because he moves like Herman Munster trudging through knee high snow now and he won't even have the proverbial puncher's chance against exponents of Gypsy Slickness or Kurdish Slickness by the time his reflexes are gone.
     
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  3. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Agit Resume:
    Andriy Rudenko
    Miljan Rovcanin

    Fury Resume:
    Otto Wallin
    Tom Schwarz

    .....hahahahahaha We're SHAKING in our boots!!

    Hide the wife and kids, the Gypsy/ Germany slickness is consuming earth's mightiest contenders.

    Like I said, Whyte is cleared to fight in December, he needs some easy pickings like Kabayel to stay active, he's earned it... unlike Fury, cough, ahem...

    "boy Dillian is about as slick as a hippopotamus in quicksand"

    Dillian is not the slickest, agreed... the hippopotamus still got the better resume though, funny how that works out.
     
    Aydamn, Sep 3, 2019
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  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Do you want me to give Whyte's resume the Serge treatment? lol

    Kabayal is still a puppen dog but he already has a better win on his ledger than Whyte has or ever will have. Agit took a much better version of Chisora to Kurdish Slick School than the ones he roided to hell Whyte fought and Agit's still a bambino.

    The Gypsy King is in reality 4-0 against the three-belt HW king Wlad who was unbeaten in a decade and one of the greatest HWs of all time, WBC champ Bum Squad who the inactive drug-ravaged bloated musle atrophied inactive 40% suicidal shell of Fury took to Gypsy Slick School, and the best ever Chisora and is the greatest HW of his generation, Whyte doesn't last 2 rounds against any of those guys or the versions of Del Boy he fought.

    And Tyson fought an infinitely better CW in USS Cunningham than Whyte did (Bacurin) in his step up to CW level. Whyte would never have dared take on such a formidable CW in his step up to CW Level or ever and if he did he would've been taken to Slick School in his own backyard, let alone over in the US on their turf. Hell, journeyman CW Zack Page would've been a step too far up on the CW Level ladder for Whyte.
     
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  5. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    I'm not sure if you have some sort of emotional dislike for Kabayel but you're making an awful lot of flat statements about him without much basis, and drawing potentially erroneous conclusions as a result. Kabayel might be limited like you think or he might be a lot better. We need more information to judge.

    We haven't seen his ceiling as of yet so that's a silly statement to make. Whether or not Chisora was at his best is hard to say until we see Kabayel in against more solid opponents. If he struggles with guys on a similar level to Chisora then we can logically deduce that perhaps Chisora wasn't at his best that night, but if he deals with them the same way he dealt with Chisora then it's time to put our preconceived notions to the side and try to accept that perhaps he's better than we gave him credit for. That's what I was able to do with Whyte, so it's disappointing you're not able to consider the same sort of process for Kabayel.
     
    It's Ovah, Sep 3, 2019
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  6. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    No hate for Kabayel, I call it as I see it, like I did for Hughie Fury, like I did for Gorman... I feel I am right about Agit as well... he won't get far.

    I know for sure, no doubt in my mind, Chisora was not on form or motivated whatsoever for that bout in Monaco against Kabayel. Chisora said so himself as well.

    And with the same certainty, I am positive that Whyte fought the most motivated Chisora, the best shape Chisora, this world has ever seen. 100 million per cent, going by all of the data, the build up, the collaboration with Haye, the animosity, bad blood, the Gloves are Off interview, the penalty by BBBoC for Chisora's actions, the giving the 20 per cent cut to Haye to train him, the gathering of 5 million to pay Whyte for a rematch.

    We know Chisora is a live dog when he gets up to fight someone with motivation, we know what he is capable off in terms of taking punishment and handing it out, and Whyte took the FULL force... and then he returned it with MORE, to KO Chisora like Chisora has never beeen KOd in history, and I doubt it will happen again by any other fighter, you can quote me.

    Furthermore, Kabayel has been siting on his arse fighting bums since Chisora, I scan through his record, and I see NOTHING, NADA. Who are these guys? He is fighting bums to hold onto his european champion status.

    It takes MORE than skill and talent to make it to the top in this game, you need COLD HARD SEASONED EXPERIENCE, you need to go through the trenches, fight the best, be in the hard fights to LEARN, adapt, evolve, fix your weakenesses, grow....

    Hughie has been in those fights, gained experience, but didnt learn from it

    Parker has been in those fights, gained experience, but didnt evolve from it

    Whyte has been in those fights, learnt more than anyone, evolved more than anyone, and is where he is because he took those fights.

    Agit Kabayel? Long arse way to go. And he hasn't shown any momentum to want to get there... and that tells me MORE than I need to know.

    You might be slick, you might have skills, but history has shown that it does not translate as EASILY as you think when you fight top competition like Yarde found out against Kovalev... levels to this game... get in with a strong motivated opponent, and all your talent will look very ordinary....

    Only way forward is experience fighting the best.
     
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  7. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    How is he a puppen dog? Based on age? Awww that's cute, not how it works. If you start work tomorow and you've never worked a day in your life, and you are over 45 years of age ... guess what? Still entry level.

    Hughie has fought Pulev, Parker, Povetkin AND he is YOUNGER than "puppen" dog Agit Kabayel.
    If Kabayel was so good he wouldnt be fighting bums in his last two fights, and stepped up... sitting on his couch, in your basement, rent free, achieving nothing... not a championship mentality Serge... give you room mate a pep talk. Come see Whyte in December, Kabayel will get put on the canvas, I bet you on it.

    Gypsy King in reality, fought Klitkcho many moons ago, in a fight people would love to forget as a snoozefest of okoliepuss like "boxing" if you wanna call it that? And only managed a UD while dancing around. AJ went toe to toe, took Klitcko's best shot, got up, and put the guy on his back twice via TKO victory. How real men win.

    Are we supposed to be impressed that he took Wilder 12 rounds? The same Wilder here who nobody credits as a good boxer against supposedly the second coming of Ali... Tyson "I can't believe it's not fury" Fury?

    Tyson the bum left the sport because he got bored, sniffed cocaine, drove a ferrari to his near death, then came back because Wilder thought Fury was easy (As Wilder doesn't fight guys with a pulse)

    Put it this way, if Wilder CHOOSES to fight you, you are probably VERY LITTLE THREAT LMAO. For realz.


    Ah yes, 6 foot 9 260 pound shades of Ali put on his ARSE by a cruiserweight hahaha, and you want to give Fury an award for that? How is he stepping up to CW level, he is the biggest heavyweight....and he struggled with a cruiserweight for crying out loud. Whyte would have sparked out Cunningham like he did Sokolowski... and Sokolowski is rated by plenty on here and same dimensions/power everything.

    Face it, you tried real hard here Serge, all in vain.

    Aydamn destroys.
     
    Aydamn, Sep 3, 2019
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  8. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ruiz
    Hunter
    Kabayel
    Rivas
     
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  9. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    You might be right. Impossible to tell at this stage since we don't have enough data. Your hunch or whatever is just that, no matter how strongly you feel about it.

    Based on the eye test and common sense I'd say the best, most motivated Chisora was the one who fought Helenius, Vitali or Haye. He was past his physical best when he fought Whyte and had been through a number of wars and a brutal KO. Just because he did well against Whyte doesn't mean he was at his best. Could be Whyte just wasn't able to handle him the same way fighters like Pulev or Kabayel were able to. Not clear cut by any means.

    I agree that Kabayel needs to up his competition. He's a bit lazy in that regard, and that can spell trouble down the line if you don't take your seasoning seriously. Skills-wise however he's an excellent all round fighter. Great jab that he uses consistently and intelligently, great if lowkey footwork, smooth combination punching and quality ring iq. In the same way that you seem certain he'll amount to nothing I see a very capable fighter who'll give anyone in the world a tough fight, although I can see lack of experience and size letting him down at some point the way it let down fighters like Ibragimov.
     
    It's Ovah, Sep 3, 2019
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  10. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    We’ll see, I know what to spot when assessing what fighter can go far and Kabayel has shown me nothing to convince me. His attitude says it all, Whyte at the same stage was self managed out grinding hard to get fights.



    I respect your opinions, but Who is to say what constitues as peak? physical conditioning? age? Number of fights? Accumalated experience?

    Chisora has been on his best run as of late achieving what the best young champs cant achieve three times... beat Spilka faster than Wilder beat Takam in a way AJ couldnt and beat Gashi handidly im a way that Schwarz struggled with


    I reckon Chisora is no where near faded, quite the opposite but each to their own

    Kabayel at the moment is irrelevant and cant see him picking up momentum any time soon if he is rejecting Joyce even he will fade into
    Obscurity
     
    Aydamn, Sep 3, 2019
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