If Lomachenko is this p4p #1 ATG unbeatable force he should fight Bud Crawford

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    No this scrub

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  2. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    did that scrub have 12 losses on his record
     
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    No he had 4 at the time which is exactly the same amount as Salido had incurred in the last 12 or 13 years IIRC prior to fighting Loma. You know, after he actually learned how to fight after being thrown to the wolves as a young teenager fighting fully grown men.

    Those 4 losses were to the likes of a 42-2-1 JMM who was coming off a draw with a prime Manny

    A 30-0-0 Mikey Garcia

    An 18-0 Gamboa

    And a 30-11-1 Cristobal Cruz - don't be fooled by the record he was a good fighter and Salido avenged that loss by wide scores a few fights later.

    And JMM, Garcia, and Gamboa were either all roughly the same weight as Saildo or heavier than him and Cruz was probably roughly the same as him too and they had all been past 8 rounds or the full route numerous to many many times, not outweighed by 11lbs, only 1-0 as a pro and had never been past 5 rounds before in their life whilst their nuts, hips, thighs and knees were being subjected to this all night lol

    What kind of supposed 'fan' of the sport would hold that fight against Loma? lol

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  4. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Loma has like 300 fights and has betten the best in the am's
     
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    I find it hypocritical as well when people casually say Loma lost to Salido. Have some empathy.
    It was his second fight, he didn't know dirty and was waiting for the referee to do something instead of making a fuss about it as he does now. salido should have like 3 points deducted that match. He had to endure the effects of getting low punched on top of normal body punches he took. And he still finished stronger than Salido almost KOing him and having more on the engine. If you're a fan, you're low blowing him saying he lost to Salido. That fight itself proved he was the better man that night. If after watching that fight you're saying without any doubts Salido is the better man than Lomachenko. I don't know man.
     
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  6. Serge

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    Yeah and pro and am boxing are exactly the same, right? And fighting 4 and 5 rounds are the same as fighting 12 rounds are too. And fighting someone who outweighs you by 11lbs is the same as fighting someone who weighs the same or less than you, and even more so when your opponent is being allowed to wail away on your nuts, thighs, hips and knees all with night with impunity with full power shots by the most corrupt ref in the game.

    FTR, Salido should've been DQ'd in that fight or at the very least had multiple points deducted and therefore Loma would've won.

    But I had Loma winning regardless because I didn't count the in excess of a third of Salido's 142 total punch connects that were all illegal as legal scoring shots and Loma still managed to outland him by 22 shots IIRC. And he was even setting up scoring legal combos upstairs with illegal nut ones too. But that's just the opinion of someone who has a moral compass and doesn't champion corruption and cheating.
     
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  7. tinman

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    Everybody wants to compare Loma to Morales, Pacquiao and Barrera. And they say Loma was too green when he was 26. Despite that he had 400 amatuer fights.

    Loma was inexperienced at the pro level against Salido. But he still lost and he was still a grown man. He lost, these guys always need to say it's not a legit loss. It is.

    Yes Loma has gotten a little bit better since then. But hes still mostly the same fighter.

    By the time Pac, Barrera and Morales were 26 they were ATGs. But Loma with his 400 amatuer fights is just learning. That's BS.
     
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  8. Stefz

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    Only the easy way ?

    You're Joking right ?

    Lets juice Loma to the gills and give him the gift of power and see how he would fair ?

    God, the haters get worse and worse.
     
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  9. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Chavez didn't have power or speed
     
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  10. Stefz

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    No, instead Loma wanted to do as per his fathers instructions and represent his nation through 2 olympics. What a dick....sigh.


    By your logic, RJJ lost in olypmics legit. Mayweather lost in the olympics legit. The list can go on.

    "Loma has gotten a little better since then"..... Do you even watch boxing or just keep hating fighters who are putting on good fights.

    Have you been in the ring ? 4-5 rounds is completely different to 12 rounds. The style in the amateurs is different to the Pro's. But hey, haters will always hate.
     
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  11. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    This. He got by on skill and determination.
     
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  12. Stefz

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    Around 80% KO ratio. Chavez first legit challenge in the Pro's was not till around 30 fights in.

    in 10 fights, Loma took 3 Undefeated top contender's 0's. In 10 fights, Chavez fought only 1 guy with a Victory on his resume....

    Chavez is an ATG, but you are already slating Loma for not being as good as guy who was pro for over 20 years.
     
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  13. Stefz

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    Name me a fighter who is as skilled as Loma overall..... I bet everyone you name is classed as an ATG now.
     
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  14. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    when Chavez had 30 fights he had about 36 fights total
     
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  15. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Salido was drained didn't even try to make weight the second time look up the pics and Loma couldn't stop zombie salido
     
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