Marciano v Cokkell Not In B & W.By D Brown

Mathews was never the same after Marciano bombed him out in2 rds and Hurley basically gave up on him . Lastarza was the same, damaged goods.Truthfully I don't think Cokkell was ever really world class at heavyweight,

 

It's the work of D Brown I forgot to credit him ,and he deserves credit!

 

I think Lastarza was number 8 when Rocky fought him
When was Lastarza the number 1 contender?
Mathews was never a ranked heavyweight.
Both were damaged goods after their fights with Marciano and both avoided the iron of the division. Lastarza got his shot on the basis of his first fight with Marciano and beating a damaged Layne by split dec in a fight most thought he had lost.
Weill was offered both Valdes and Moore before the Cokkell fight , he turned them down. Farr was 40 years old and unranked
Marshall was an aging supermiddle lhvy, never ranked at heavyweight.
Finch was a Euro level lhvy
Beshore a lhvy hadn't been ranked for 3 years.
Barone a lhvy was not ranked
Wiliams was unranked
I don't even know who Yvel was? Name one fighter of class he ever beat
This is what a fringe lhvy contender Jimmy Slade did to Cokkell
"Slade floored Cockell twice in the first round. After a nearly even second round, Slade sent Cockell down again in the third for a "7" count. In the fourth round, Cockell was dropped twice more and "was now a mere punching bag," causing the referee to stop the fight. (See Boxing News, December 12, 1951, page 4.)"

This is what a 162lbs middleweight did to Cokkell.
"Former middleweight champion Randy Turpin, still middleweight king of Britain, added British national and empire light heavyweight crowns to his collection last night after stopping Don Cockell in the 11th round of their scheduled 15 round bout at White City Stadium. Turpin, weighing 162, floored Cockell twice in the 11th before the referee stopped the bout at 1:10 of the round. Cockell, who scaled 174 1/4 pounds, also hit the canvas in the 3rd round after a hard right to the jaw." -International News Service"



Thanks for conclusively making my case!

 

Layne was ****ed after Marciano that's why Rollie fought him. Look at his results FFS! Lastarza avoided loads of contenders he even admitted it in a Ring interview I have.I don't want to debate with you. I find you congenitally dishonest, and I come away irritable from talking to you

 

Boilermaker is a fine poster but his ratings are soley his own opinion and not those of a recognized and respected publication such as
The Ring.
Produce evidence Mathews was ever ranked at heavyweight. Produce evidence Lastarza was number 3 when Marciano fought him.
De was number 7 at the end of December the previous year and all he did after that was to get a split dec over Layne which most thought was a robbery.Layne was damaged goods after the Marciano fight, I have the Ring magazines of the time.Layne was badly beaten up bt Charles after the marcinao fight and never beat a man of any class again his only wins were over 3rd raters and much later, a badly used up Charles.Here is the report of the first Charles fight.
"Layne was saved by the bell at the count of nine in the 10th round and "was bleeding from the nose, mouth and a deep gash at the corner of his left eye when his handlers picked him up and carried him to his corner". The bout was stopped with him "helpless" after regaining his feet following another knockdown in the 11th round. (New York Times"
Now either you are unaware of these happenings and circumstances ,in which case you shouldnt be prognosticating on them . Or ,you are perfectly aware of but being cynically economical with the truth.Given your track record there are no prizes given out for which option I am going for!

 

Cokkell was never considered a genuine world class heavyweight by any but a few jingoisticBrits,and his credentials for being a world class light heavy are somewhat tenuous.I have the Ring reports on his capabilities at world level prior to the fight,they are positively scathing.

Choclab has shown in the past that he his perfectly capable of turning statistics inside out and making 2& 2 into 5.
Unlike Rhas Guhly, who knows less about boxing than my dog, he knows exactly what he is doing and has been called and castigated on it many, many times .
You Mr Glenn, glorify so many club fighters and domestic level fighters, especially those that shared a ring with your relative the late Bert Gilroy , you would have us believe just about everyone who was active in the 40&50s was a great fighter,or at the very least a world class one.
And, as in the case of that said relative ,they were only prevented from attaining world titles by a conspiracy to deny them from those titles .
In short you have no objectivity ,a narrow sphere of shaky preconceived ideas, which you propound at every opportunity ,ideas that driven by an admirable but an entirely misguided sense of family loyalty.
Now if you want to debate the subject, or any other for that matter, come out into plain sight and do so , make you case
Don't make veiled asides, have the courage of you convictions , direct your statements to those they are intended for in an honest and straight forward manner. As I have just done .This is a forum ,its what its for!
PS Ive read and own more books and magazines than you will ever see.I've a decent library of fights and regularly attend promotions. Don't ever make the mistake of ever thinking your filial connections to pugilism will ever take the place of over half a century of dedicated ,objective interest, and practice of the Noble Art!
Don't talk to me about fiction when you authored a book full of it!