Who Has The More Impressive Resume? Sergey Kovalev, Carl Froch Or Mikkel Kessler?

Herol completely clueless in this thread as usual
Probably thinks buster Douglas has a better resume than M Tyson due to having a win over him

Ward has wins over the above fighters but it's questionable as to whether his resume at SMW is greater than Frochs

Wards beat Kessler and Froch
Froch beat Kessler and Bute
Froch and ward beat Abraham
Ward beat Dawson
Froch beat Pascal
Ward beat Bika
Froch beat Groves
Ward beat green
Froch beat Johnson who beat green

Add in Froch has Taylor, Dirrell, groves 2, on his smw resume

I think it's very debatable that Froch could have a greater smw resume than ward, more so when you factor in that ward didn't travel like Froch.
Possibly overall greater resume. Very debatable, I would say

 

That's actually a really good take on the subject.
They have very similar resumes.

But I think Ward beating Froch gives him the edge.

*And Ward did beat Edwin Rodriguez as well. A solid scalp. Definitely sits above Allen Green.

 

Yeah I think it is very debatable and could be taken how ever someone wants to view it.

I think I would put Groves 2 or Dirrell above Rodriguez at SMW but all these things are open to debate

 

Good post bailey hardly ever a bad one even though sometimes we don't agree
You always make great well rounded points
Top 10 poster on here
Good day sir

 

Thank you ashishwarrior. Feeling is mutual. Always a pleasure to see you posting!

 

The only thing with ward for me is being the hometown fighter more or less all the time

You seen what happened to bute not comparing them just the situation when made to go to the other fighters den he froze

 

Aye back at you dude

 

Personally I don't think Groves deserves the praise he so often gets. He is quite overrated in my opinion.
Heck, I would rank Pascal, Kessler, Dirrell and Bute above him. Yet it seems like Groves is often considered among Froch's finest victories.
And yea, Rodriguez isn't among the best Ward faced at 168. (Maybe 5th or 6th)

 

I do agree with you here.
Iiked Groves as a fan but have always said that when he fought Froch he was no more than a British champ and that the fight was no real difference to when Calzaghe beat Starie.
What the fight did have though was controversy which sells.
I do agree with you that I find many of Frochs other wins to be greater

 

Frochs best win for me is a prime but green and then again hungry Pascal and it did effect either fighters progress hell Pascal probably got more praise than froch and he ways the travelling man

It shows great match ups and losing if you learn from the losses ain't such a bad thing especially if it been relatively competitive

The groves wins I think get overrated because he had fone froch mentally first time round and his youth ish ness
Not yo mention froch out of sheer disregard at what groves could do walked on to a clean right iirc

 

Did I read that right? Kessler is a borderline top 10 ATG at 168lbs?
So who are the other 9 guys?

What exactly does your all time top 10 at SMW look like?

 

Yes the home fighter thing is a big thing especially at SMW.
Look at how many American and American based SMWs faired when fighting in Europe. I really do believe travelling has a big psychological effect on many fighters. I have mentioned this previously and am not going to dig up the old posts (partly because I have been unsuccessful when trying to do so previously)

Typing this and found an old post below
Please dont let this old post become a thing of debate on here as it is old and not relevant to this thread but it was to give an example of how SMWs based in America and Canda hadnt had much success in SMW world title fights or big fights when in Europe

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He does make a fair point.
Many forget that when Kessler was in the S6, he was faded, with injuries and vision problems and sadly they dont remember him before his loss to Calzaghe, but go back before the Calzaghe fight and Kessler was a 39-0 unified champ and had beaten several top SMWs on the way, and even after had a few decent wins, consider he beat Beyer, Mundine, Sartison, Siaca, Froch, Magee who either all were or became a world champ of sorts at the time of the fights. He also beat Lucas and Andrade when world rated as well as Thobela and Haussler.
The 39-0 unified champ part often gets forgotten but was a good feat.
I could think of several SMWs I would put above Kessler but dont know without some real thought if I could name 10 quickly

 

Great post again and agree 100%

Bailey don't want to create a back and forth
But can I ask as a fan seeing Joe and Kessler
Froch and Kessler
Would you really not have loved to see Joe and froch forget the results just the spectacle of it

 

Not at that time really.
I am a massive fan of the SMW division. Always have been, mainly because I have closely followed that division from the start. People get very mixed up because they think I am a far bigger Calzaghe fan than I am, rather than knowing that it is the division that I have closely observed. Dont get me wrong as I do highly rate Calzaghe, but there are other SMWs I also highly rate, just felt that after watching so much of the division that Calzaghe based on resume does deserve top spot imo.

At the time of a potential Calzaghe/ Froch fight, Froch was an unknown British champ and I viewed it as a very backwards fight for Calzaghe as he had passed those fights by, by having those fights with Starie etc.
I know people would say, yes but he fought Manfredo or Ashira. Big difference was that Manfredo or Ashira wouldnt have been billed and hyped in the same way that a domestic dust up would and I think those big build up hyped fights can be draining when I dont think it would have done anything for either.
I think Calzaghe would have completely dominated and stopped a very green Froch rather easily at that time. Remember when Calzaghe fought Ashira which was no more than a tune up. Froch had only had 16 fights and no top experience.
It didnt interest me much more than those tune ups for Calzaghe and I didnt want the fight for Froch at that time, as I rated Froch as a very good talented on the way up fighter who I felt may have been ruined from a fight with an elite all too soon.
I felt that way when Groves and Degale were due to fight.
I felt there were 2 good SMW prospects and with them fighting so soon, that one could get beaten badly and then not achieve their full potential. Or be draining for both. I was glad that it wasnt an overly draining fight for either and thought that with it being a close debatable fight, we still have 2 SMW prospects rather than just the 1

I dont really think Froch wanted at that time as I recall reading something about him saying that he wanted to win a world title first before facing Calzaghe as to have something to bring to the table and I did read from an article that I can no longer show that it indicated he wasnt interested in it at that time, but dont think anything can be taken as gospel.


Now Prime for prime with Calzaghe and Froch, I would have thought would have been good. I would still favour Calzaghe to clearly and handily beat Froch but think Froch would have made it through all 12 rounds rather than be stopped after too much punishment