Did you know in his second fight with Liston, in which he fought a defensive fight,Liston knocked him clean out of the ring and he was in the process of trying to get back in when the final bell rang saving him from a ko?
Yes. I’ve used that KD in five of my videos. Did you know that the person who I responded to used examples where Marciano wasn’t the fastest to KO a smaller opponent, and that was what I was making a counter point to?
There are multiple accounts that marciano carried LaStarza from his camp...and opinions aren’t fact they are meant to be criticized. If you have a hard time about that kind of thing arguing about fantasy matchups may not be your thing. And by “toyed” with guys that doesn’t mean carrying them every time it could mean he knows he’s gonna win so he takes it easy the first couple of rounds and “works a sweat”. Marciano wasn’t a lucky brawler whom stumbled upon the belt. His opponents knew rather quickly he was special.
Please produce these multiple accounts . Ill produce interviews with Marciano and Lastarza.I have a hard time debating with Rockista fan boys who bring nothing but immature hero worship to the forum. ps Don't forget your proof!
Then wouldn't you have expected somebody else to replicate Maricno's stats at some point in the history of the division? There has been no shortage of weak eras, no shortage of fighters who padded their records, and no shortage of champions who tipped the odds further in their favour by avoiding the best.
Here you have got the wrong end of the stylistic stick completely. The problem with jumping on Holmes early, is that if you fail to get him out of there (highly probable), he will just take over the rest of the fight. A pure swarmer like Marciano, who applies sustained pressure over the duration of a fight, is a far greater threat to a fighter like Holmes than a fast finisher like Dempsey or Tyson. While they would depend upon getting Holmes hurt, and then finishing him, Marciano would break him down systematically over the course of the fight. The longer the fight went on against Dempsey or Tyson, the more the momentum would shift to Holmes. The longer the fight went on against Marciano, the more the momentum would shift to Marciano.
This is postulation not fact Marciano might be stopped on cuts before the halfway mark! You cant present these predictions as given facts!
Marciano was never stopped by cuts. Despite suffering from cuts. Fact of the matter is Holmes style would be more susceptible to swarmers. No one is out jabbing the man. To beat Holmes you better be pressuring him at different angles with relentless pressure. Only a handful of fighters could pull it off imo. The only people I see Holmes losing too are Marciano, Frazier, Tyson and a prime Ali (and that’s a toss up and different style for that matter). This is a styles pick and when discussing the top ten HWs it all comes down to styles.
Well you wont get it ! Here is the passage your refer to"he wanted to really and truly punish him.He didnt even really want to knock him out.He wanted to really punish him" Peter Marciano "I was surprised he stayed up so long.I hit him with everything I had and even though I missed a lot I got in some good licks too" Rocky Marciano, next paragraph! In the second round Marciano lowered his head and butted Lastarza.He was warned by Referee Ruby Goldstein.Then Rocky delivered a hard left hook that opened a cut over Lastarza's right eye. In the third Lastarza jabbed Rocky and landed some sharp punches.Marciano hit him after the bell and was loudly jeered by the crowd. There was nothing friendly or clean about Rocky in this fight, he was warned 6 times for butting ,low punches and elbowing. Lastarza was ahead on points even though he was obviously only one absorbing punishment. Then in the sixth Marciano punched low and the referee took the round away from him. "Whats the matter with you Rock?" Colombo said in the corner,"You could lose this thing if you're not careful". "In the seventh he charged Lastarza wildly,throwing lefts and rights as if there were no exhausting the supply.he wnet for the head,arms body,anywhere the punches would fall." "In the eleventh Rocky threw a right cross that landed high on the head.Lastarza looked as if he would buckle,then he moved away,stumbling across the ring.Marciano trapped him on the ropes spraying punches untila aprticulalry hard right sprawled Lastarza out of the ring ,onto the ring apron.Lastarza was on his knees at five.Almost unbelievably,he staggered up at nine-dazed,battered ,and defenceless,yet willing to continue,unable to accept defeat Marciano punched wildly.Lastarza was almost unconscious but he remained on his feet.Then midway through the round Goldstein wisely stepped between the fighters and stopped it." Hand on heart does that sound to you like he was holding back,toying with him,carrying him?
In terms of what? Skill? Speed? Timing? Technique? Defense? Absolutely not. Power and chin are about the only categories and a blind man can see that. Stamina id say even or slightly more.
Marciano had better stamina, power in both hands, technique even, Marciano had the better corner, and chin. Frazier was better defensively and speed. His chin would fail him in this h2h. Probably best fight anyone can think of h2h at their best. Not a shot at Frazier but even Ali and most writers at the time considered Marciano the superior fighter. For some reason over time Marciano’s standing has dwindled amongst the weight is the only thing that matters crowd.
He might be but he probably wouldn't. The most likely scenario is a late stoppage, or a decision win, with Holmes having the better of the earlier rounds, and Marciano having the better of the later rounds.
Unfortunately we are starting to see a new generation of boxing fan, who are obsessed with size and other physical stats, but don't really understand boxing styles and how they influence fights!
Are we really seeing this new generation? I just saw a video of younger fighters picking little Andre Ward over Marciano. You continually ignore the elements of skill, balance, speed while over-inflating intangibles and the Marciano's results against a particularly decrepit and undersized sample set.
