Isn't it a bit naive to expect past era fighters to be competitive against modern fighters...?

If only he'd have been born in the 40's, 'ey? He wouldn't even be questioned.

 

Examples?

 

No rebuttal. No response to my points. Bye.

 

I'm not using the fight as a stick to beat Lomachenko. I know you were only replying in kind to a throwaway comment that was deliberately disingenuous to highlight a point. Of course it's daft to say that Loma got beaten by a car driver, though obviously reznick was just riposting to prior remarks. Equally though, it's not like Loma was a novice in that fight. Salido taught him a few lessons and was getting figured out by the end, but I don't think Lomachenko looked a demonstrably better fighter afterwards other than a shade more nous in close quarters. He easily beat a very good fighter in Russell Jr not long after. I respect Salido but don't rate him a talent, not in an all-time sense, though clearly he was a good crafty fighter if something of a toiler. I've seen loads of good contenders in past eras who I think were just as good, and that's not an insult or a bad thing.
Plenty of fighters with extended amateur experience or Muay Thai converts for example have fought for or won world pro titles very early in their careers against good opposition. Sahaprom, Payakaroon, Chitalada, Muangsurin, Tszyu, Arbachakov etc. They'd had more fights than Loma, granted, but similarly had very few adjustments to make and didn't need to improve much if at all from very early on.

I wasn't saying that you're necessarily in the camp who have double standards where Lomachenko is concerned, it was more a general observation. Apologies if it came across that way.

 

A rebuttal for what, your daft comment? Duran has NEVER KO'ed anyone who was remotely like Loma. That is a fact.

 

Brixton, that’s the most idiotic statement I’ve ever read on these boards.

 

I think you've won the most ridiculous comparison award

 

Edit: please read all.

Says the guy making snide comments about the 1940's for some reason (wrong era by the way). Got a response to how 3 round amateur bouts with headgear would be different? Of course there's a lot less chance of being stopped in those circumstances. Do you think Duran would be KOd ever there?

So Duran can hurt opponents like Sugar Ray Leonard, Stop Buchanan, beat Ernesto Marcel, KO DeJesus twice etc. Why don't you think Duran could KO him? All men had attributes like Loma (For example, Marcel's movement, Buchanan's brain, Leonard's speed), and were more durable too. Duran dealt with them all at 135 to 147. All were elite.
Even opponents such as Leonico Ortiz shows Duran's adaptions to Southpaws. Of course, Loma is a higher class than him, but how would Loma deal with the tactics such as Duran's shifting, multi faceted jab, inside fighting and physical presence? Because Loma doesn't have any physical advantages, and I just can't see him overcoming Duran, through pure skill alone.
Duran even beat opponents who used excessive movement (Bizzaro etc.). Basically pure runners are who Duran had trouble with at 135. Would Loma box like this? He's never shown anything like it before. He mostly wants to engage and moves offensively with his feet, and volume punches on the front foot rather than counter on the backfoot.

I also noted Loma seems to mark up and be backed up by body-shots much more regularly at 135 (such as in the Campell bout), due to his naturally smaller frame and stature. This would certainly come into play. Do you not think Duran would exploit this? How would Loma defend this? Tell me.

Duran definitely has the technical skills and IQ on par or exceeding Loma (Ray Arcel, ATG trainer, even stated similar himself), and they directly contrast Loma's own style, such as his short, blended inside offense and clinch skills hindering his angled resets. He's one of the best on the inside ever, an area where Loma doesn't exceed in and is troubled. Bigger, stronger and very skilled boxers like Sugar Ray Leonard couldn't keep him away from inside fighting. How would Lomachenko do it?

It wouldn't happen offensively, and Loma doesn't box defensively through his feet or style overall. Would he somehow change for one bout?

As I said, Loma doesn't like to inside fight and roughhouse, and prefers to work volume. He turns the angle to reset to center ring. Brilliant, sure. But how will he adapt to when Duran counters, inside fights and even roughhouses him. How would Loma adapt? Duran is 100x Salido in skill and pressure, and bigger. How would he do it? What do you think?

I'm not even sure what your full point is. And I don't know why your taking my statements like a personal attack on Lomas skill and greatness. I'm a big fan of the guy, been watching him since 2014. I've watched most of the amateur stuff too. Please don't disengage, I actually want to know how you think Loma would do it. I even apologise for being rash if it helps. This is a genuinely honest post. Don't be all bluster.

I also do think Loma has genuinely ATG skills, and could hang with and beat ATGs. Just not styles like Duran or Armstrong.

 

Idiotic statements.

Duran has 119 pro fights and was in the ring with a whose who of ATG fighters from lightweight up to super middleweight. He was tested by the best and typically won.

Lomo has FIFTEEN total pro bouts. He has fought ZERO great opponents and has been severely tested ZERO times.

ANY attempt to compare the two only shows complete ignorance.

Stop being a fan boy and grow up.

 

The talent pool was a lot deeper in the states pre-1950's as boxing was one of the most popular sports in the country (for many decades it was the most popular followed by baseball.)

Thus the young athletes gravitated to the sport and tried to make a living from it. These days boxing isn't anything more than a niche sport in the states with all the young athletes pursuing basketball, football and baseball thus the talent pool has been diluted greatly.

There's this old saying that the heavyweight champion of the world is in the NFL right now. There's probably some validity to that statement.

 

My point is that 1) there's no better practise than actually DOING something and 2) its possible that modern advances in technique and training can be offset by the additional practise the old timers got.

Oh and 3) guys like Loma, GGG actually have had that extra-fight benefit in their enormous amateur careers. Yes, I very much believe that to be true to some margin at least

 

I didn't, I wasn't even born. But

1. He was putting it on Barkley before he was caught
2. He should have a win over Barkley IMO
3. He was past prime then, his best was at 154.
4. Barkley would beat Lomachenko... As would Hagler and Leonard

Loma hasn't fought anywhere close to the level of Competition Duran, Leonard and Hearns fought. Or even Barkley fought

 

Hahahaha

 

No it's not a fact. Buchanan was a slick southpaw (like Loma) and Duran KOed him

 

Of someone beating 10 000 no ones? No.

But there are tons of examples of people looking great against no names and being beaten at the top level. Wilder against Fury comes to mind. As does Yarde vs Kovalev

And yes there competition is worse than than Loma's, but Fury and Kovalev are not ATGs like Duran