James J Jeffries Vs 1960 's fighters?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Sorry Tonto, only just seen your post.
    All rules, gloves and distance as if he was fighting in the 1960 s. Assume that Jeffries had come along same time has Patterson, so he's familiar with everything of that Era. A big, strong guy thrown in to the mix of Chuvalo, Williams etc.
     
  2. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Okay thanks.
    I think he beats Cooper,Chuvalo,Mildenberger,and possibly that version of Moore. The others are toss ups imo.
     
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  3. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Yep some of the guys that Jeff beat, seems to me to either knocking on in year s or perhaps not the greatest of contender material. In other Era I believe he struggles a fair bit.
     
  4. janitor

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    People talk about him needing time to adjust.

    The only adjustment needed, might be simply to tell him what rules the fight was going to take place under!
     
  5. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    You don't think he might have to inject more urgency into his work?
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes, but Jeffries did fight in some fifteen round bouts.

    It would not be an alien concept to him.

    He would have a pretty good idea what he needed to do.
     
  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jefferies TKO9 Cooper
    Terrell UD15 Jefferies
    Jefferies TKO14 Folley
    Chuvalo KO9 Jefferies
    Mildenberger UD15 Jefferies
    Williams TKO6 Jefferies
    Jefferies KO5 Moore

    Happy to explain my picks.
    50s Moore beats Jefferies on points imo.
     
  8. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yep, I'd be interested to see why you think Williams and Chuvalo ko Jeff.
     
  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Size, power and physicality.

    Chuvalo would have no respect for Jefferies power and would fight like it, ragdolling him around based on size, slowing his pressure with body shots and finishing him brutally. Worst fight for here next to Mildenberger.

    Williams would have the power to stop him imo, he'd find hitting James like shooting fish in a barrel. He'd mark him up and beat him down similar to Chuvalo but he'd have to mind his chin abit.
     
  10. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jeffries was very tough and quick. Sullivan wrote that Jeff was the quickest big man he ever saw.

    Again we have a universally acclaimed ATG in the ring with two contenders who failed most every time they stepped up to a high level. They are not beating Jim Jeffries.
     
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  11. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cleroux, DeJohn, Bonavena - Chuvalo didn't rag-doll them. Williams didn't knock out many (any?) top fighter he fought. They might beat Jeff but knockouts I feel are unlikely on the evidence.
     
  12. George Crowcroft

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    There is virtually no footage of Jefferies in his prime. So you can't say that with absolute certainty. Also styles > levels

    Also Chuvalo is a stylistic nightmare for Jefferies. So is Mildenberger.
     
  13. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I think he could probably take prime Lennox Lewis
     
  14. George Crowcroft

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    Chuvalo did rag doll Terrell tho, along with Williams and Quarry. Also the Bonavena fight was close, and Bonavena was a strong fighter himself
    He stopped Terrell and hurt Liston. I imagine he'd be able to hurt a walk forward guy like Jefferies
     
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  15. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    William's mystic is built on hurting Liston, he didn't even floor him. Bethea, Liston, Bonavena, Cleroux, DeJohn are the nearest fighters these two met to what we think Jeffries was and Williams and Chuvalo didn't blow them away. Chuvalo didn't ragdoll Quarry and the KO was just daft. Terrell was hardly a Jeffries clone. Choynski, Ruhlin, Armstrong, Sharkey, Fitz were good punchers and didn't put a dent in Jeffries so I'm convinced that neither knocks him out. They might, however outpoint him but I'd favor Jeff.
     
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