The Greats...

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by George Crowcroft, May 21, 2019.


  1. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I really don't see Mysterious Billy Smith over Tommy Ryan, who got the better of him pretty consistently, and overall has a much more consistent record.

    I don't think Meehan belongs either. They're are a lot of guys with the odd shockingly good win, but looking at their overall record, clearly weren't at that level.
     
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  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    The problem with a list like this, is that you lack data on a lot of the early fighters.

    Do you give them, what is almost certainly an undeservedly low ranking, or leave them off altogether?

    For example, you could justify putting John L Sullivan or the Nonpareil in the top 20 for their weight class, but they might be closer to top 5 with complete data!

    It is almost like the debate about whether we should clone a woolly mammoth!

    Do you create a partial Frankenstein's monster of this magnificent beast, or just let it go extinct with dignity?
     
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  3. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    No George, not Brown above Midget Wolgast!

    I know lists are subjective, but Brown is way too high. I'd literally switch his and Wolgast's places. As Vesti said, you have alot of guys with shock wins, including Brown to an extent.
     
  4. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Add dominance, notable losses/omissions and historical significance.
     
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  5. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Whitaker is far too low for my taste. He dominated Nelson and Chavez who you have over him plus he was undisputed champion, pound for pound #1 for a while and ridiculously skilled and dominant. He probably didn’t even lose until the Tito fight too.
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Don't get me wrong it hurt me to put Whitaker that low, he's an absolute favourite of mine. But whilst his résumé is very good and he was very consistent he didn't compile the résumé to go higher imo. If the list took H2H into account, it would also be drastically different, and Whitaker would be much higher.
     
  7. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Some good stuff here and excellent input I just don't feel I know enough on such a broad subject to usefully contribute.
    It would be pure conjecture on my part for quite a few of these guys.
     
  8. Vockerman

    Vockerman LightJunior SuperFlyweigt Full Member

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    Micky Walker I believe you mean, sir...
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Well at least it's not Steele
     
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  10. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    im extremely pleased to see that Houck made your list, im still disappointed that McGrain never added him
     
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  11. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    wait i just realized you dont have Marciano in your list, i take back all compliments
     
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  12. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Lol
     
  13. Golden_Feather99

    Golden_Feather99 Active Member Full Member

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    Roy Jones at 84 and Michael Spinks at 86. But Tommy Loughran is 11. C'mon George. This is unacceptable. You know this. I'll be reporting this post as offensive and abusive. Also, I ****in hate Orange. You really ****ed up on this one.
     
  14. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    What's wrong with orange?
     
  15. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    duh...it’s the new black! Everyone knows this! Sheeeesssshhhh