Could Wlad Klitschko punch as hard as Deontay Wilder?

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  1. Belfast

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    Mate whatever your opinion might be, the fact is based on the very visible evidence Wilders power simply does not compare to the elite HW punchers, the guy has never KO'd an opponent with a good chin, in fact who are all these guys he puts to sleep? Breazeale was not unconscious, he got back up Molina was not unconscious, Duhaupas was never even on the canvas, Ortiz was not unconscious. The only guy I remember who was put to sleep on any remote contender level was Szpilka, and I think Szpilka has been KO'd about 25 times, Chisora just did it again in 2 rounds, sorry but to be compared to Foreman and Shavers, and JULIAN JACKSON on a p4p level, you need to do a LOT better. I apologise if I came across as a dick in my first post but all other points stand
     
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  2. It's Ovah

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    Shavers never put anyone to sleep on film.
     
  3. Belfast

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    Putting to sleep was more about the Julian Jackson comparison, I don't think you need to be stretching everybody out to be a big puncher, Wilder IS a big puncher, but he's not comparable to Julian Jackson , and he obviously doesn't hit as hard as the likes of Shavers or Foreman for the many reasons I mentioned. If Wilder even managed to stop someone like Kingpin Johnson on the way up that would be something, but he has nothing, not one opponent known for even decent durability
     
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    Liakhovich and Harrison were properly out cold too from memory. Pretty much everyone Wilder fights has a weight advantage over him too, which is worth noting.
     
  5. Belfast

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    Liakhovich was thats true, Harrison wasn't out, he squatted in the corner while Wilder fell over himself throwing windmills, David Price on the other hand DID knock Harrison oyt cold in a round, so that's another mark against Wilder for me
     
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    Foreman and shavers had clubbing power

    Jackson and wilder explosive
     
  7. Belfast

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    The guy can definately punch, but I think he doesn't hit as hard as Klitschko, let alone the likes of Foreman. You can be a gigantic hitter and still not punch like Foreman, like anything in boxing, there are levels, George stopped a guy many historians argue had the greatest chin of all time, it's not some big knock to say Wilder isn't on that level. If we want to go even further, I could make an argument that Wilder isn't even the hardest hitting heavyweight at the moment.
     
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    We'll never know because Wlad chose a safety first approach and rarely threw anything stronger than a jab. When he did let his right hand go I will be first to admit it was pretty devastating...
    But it's not going hurt nobody when you never throw it.
    As far Wilder, he is a completely different kind of fighter. He goes for KO every time out. He doesn't care who he's fighting or what round it is....he's looking to kill his opponent every time out
     
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    Wilder had what a 17% connect ratio on fury and dropped him twice. Klitschko caught fury flush on a number of occasions and he didn’t blink. And we all know fury doesn’t mind a trip to the canvas.

    Joshua landed 7 more punches on klitschko than fury. With a round and a half to go. And fury is a featherfist. Wilder wouldn’t even need half of that amount to get klit out of there.

    Chins, just like power, can be debated till the end of time
     
  10. Belfast

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    Steve Cunningham put Fury on the floor but we know he doesn't hit as hard as Wlad, you could even say "Foreman couldn't get Morrison out of there and Michael Bent did him in a round" of course these arguments can be made, the difference is when you look at the whole picture the body of evidence shows Klitschko had elite one punch power, and Foreman was just a complete freak, when you break down the records and not just the highlight reel, their power holds up without question, the same cannot be said for Wilder(Again, not saying he can't punch, but speaking relative). Remember when Klitschko put Eddie Chambers out cold on his feet with a punch that didn't even look like it landed? Klitschko did that habitually, why does Wilder knocking out Dominic Breazeale put him above Klitschko? Breazeale ten years ago would just be one of the many contenders of the month Wlad bowled over with ease. Wait until Wilder reaches the end of his career and his power can truly be judged fairly
     
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    Well chambers was out on his feet in the 12th and steward was screaming at wlad to ko him because they ‘didn’t need another ibragamov’.

    Fury’s chin was in the air, he was being an absolute clown against USS until he got nailed. And USS and wilder weigh around the same.

    Foreman is just a huuuuge guy. His wrists are probably bigger than my biceps. Wilder is a bean pole. He has no business hitting so hard
     
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    Lyakowitch was beyond shot in that fight. He had no punch resistance left.
     
  13. Belfast

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    Us skinny guys can get a lot of leverage, I'm currently awaiting surgery, plates, screws the whole shebang on my hand myself, but Wilder is still a 6'8 or so guy whereas, as Big and thick as George was, there have been bigger guys since with great(padded) KO records who couldn't really come close to Georges power. Any man that size is going to hit hard, but George was something else
     
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    There's 2 types of power, heavy hands and fast whipping power. Big George has heavy hands and Wilder has the whipping power. It's arguable that Wlad had both. That's what made Julian Jackson such a dangerous puncher. He clearly had heavy AND fast hands. A very dangerous combination. There's plenty of ancedotal evidence that Wlad was possibly the biggest puncher of the last 20 years. Numerous people who have sparred with him have said it. Wilder needs to wind up those right hands while Wlad has the technique to land his big punches without springing the crazy wind up from the waist, although Wilder's technique has definitely improved over the last couple of years. And Wlad had a great left hook also whereas Wilder only has the whipped right hand. Wlad IMO is probably the hardest puncher of all time, all things considered.
     
  15. mark ant

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    Foreman didn`t knock Frazier or Chavalo out wuth one shot in the fashion that Wilder blew Breazale out and who did Jackson knock out that had a good chin?