Rocky Marciano vs Kubrat Pulev

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  1. KeedCubano

    KeedCubano Read my posts in a Jamaican accent Full Member

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    I view Pulev as a poor man's Larry Holmes. Without the Assassin's physical attributes I see Marciano pounding him out to a slow painful stopages
     
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  2. MrFoFody

    MrFoFody Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pulevs claimed to fame is picking on retired old boxers who are given 1 week of training and have to win decisions in an old Bulgarian farmhouse owned by himself.
     
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  3. MrFoFody

    MrFoFody Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And getting absolutely demolished by a faded old Wlad
     
  4. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    You're on a roll
     
  5. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    He was a wizard at winning fights. A fighting wizard he was!!
     
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  6. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Carnera was a 260 pound modern sized heavyweight and Joe Louis was a 196 pound "cruiser" and Carnera absolutely demolished the tiny Louis.....oh wait.....
     
  7. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    That's because you started balding and women prefer men with hair
     
  8. HerolGee

    HerolGee VIP Member banned Full Member

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    the word I used was mediocre, and I stand by that 100%

    So, you label the top 1% of a sport, as people who can barely overcome a 43 year old man.
    I label the top % as the people who can enter a title eliminator with a prime world class fighter.

    Who is closer to the truth?

    enjoy your stance while you can.
     
  9. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    So you're picking just one of those 50's ranked heavyweights I named to beat Pulev? Which indicates he would not struggle to be a top ten heavyweight in that decade!
    I'm not impressed by Pulev but implying he is where he is because its a weak era ,ignores the fact that the 50's was one of the weakest decades for heavyweight boxing ever,as the ranked contenders I named amply shows!.
    Cokkell at number 2! He'd been ko'd by a past prime middleweight!
    Shkor ,no matter who knew him ,or served with him,was a journeyman.
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    Norkus lost to nobodies;
    Kennedy
    Washington 5-16-0
    Walls 3-10-1
    Spagniolo
    Sabotin174lbs
    Parker
    Davey
    Thomas 1-4-0
    His record his 33-19-0 being stopped 6 times.
    On what basis are you picking him to beat Pulev who has been stopped just once, by a terrific puncher?
     
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  10. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    An all time great puncher and the only one to manage it!
     
  11. McGrain

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    Pulev is 245lbs. Marciano is 185lbs. That's a difference of 60lbs.

    You believe one of four things:

    1) Marciano is Superman.

    2) Pulev is pretty inept.

    3) Marcaino get's KO'd.

    4) Weight isn't important.

    2 or 3 are reasoned (though 2 takes some arguing given he was ranked top five in his own era), 1 and 4 are not.

    Sixty pounds. Sixty pounds. That's about a third of Rocky's bodyweight. Rocky could beat up a sub-journeyman fighter of that weight, i've literally no doubt, and because he's so awesome I bet he could occasionally do a ranked fighter with that size differential, but if you put a 5'10 185lb man of stunning ability into the the modern heavyweight division he is getting beaten a lot and everyone should know that.
     
  12. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    There are 4 or 5 regular posters here who refuse to accept it!
     
  13. BCS8

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    1)
    mediocre
    /ˌmiːdɪˈəʊkə/

    adjective: mediocre
    of only average quality; not very good.

    2) Kubrat Pulev 27-1
    https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/511850

    3) If Pulev was mediocre his record would be 14-14

    4) Emallini is arguing with somebody who has the intelligence of a block of wood.
     
  14. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you don't think Marciano had any skills, then clearly you are too stupid to debate with.
     
  15. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think several from the list would beat Pulev, but only mentioned Norkus because he’d give Pulev the worst beating out of that list. He’d be a terrible style matchup for Pulev.

    Also, a fighter’s record doesn’t tell much. I care about a fighter’s quality of competition and who they beat. Norkus fought a lot more often than Pulev and regularly fought much better competition than Pulev. If Pulev didn’t have such rich backers I doubt he’d still keep getting put in the top 10, since he hasn’t done a thing since losing to Wlad.

    I’ve seen plenty of cases of guys that don’t have clean records, but were better fighters than ranked fighters or even champions, but lacked the backing and resources to get ranked or get a title shot, so they simply will take any fight they can get often on short notice, which results in losses, which isn’t always a bad thing, since a fighter can learn from losing. Plenty of guys with 15-0, 18-0, or even 48-0 have nice looking records, but as soon as they step up the competition they get destroyed.

    Ever since losing to Wlad Pulev has been cherry picking his competition. He lost against Wlad almost 5 years ago, but hasn’t fought a challenge since. In those 4+ years he hasn’t stepped in the ring with Joshua, Wilder, Fury, Ortiz, or Povetkin, Parker, or Whyte. Pulev keeping a clean record is easy if he won’t fight good competition, which is available for him to fight.

    In the same period of time that Pulev hasn’t fought any good competition Takam has managed to step in the ring with Povetkin, Parker, and Joshua and admittedly has more losses than Pulev, but at least he manages to fight good competition.