My Initial Thoughts On When The Chelyabinsk Krusher Meets The Cinnamon Boy Of Guadalajara.

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  1. Dirsspaardis

    Dirsspaardis Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ginger will probably do what he did vs Fielding - quick explosive combinations to the body from the beginning. It’s a tall order but he is much faster than Kovalev and that’s his ace in the sleeve. Going upstairs early on is waste of stamina - something that Canelo hasn’t got much of,
    so the way I see it is, knowing he’ll gas anyway, he’ll go for the body Fielding style while he can and switch to flashy, judge-pleasing, stuff when the batteries run flat.

    From there onwards it’s a countering game, knowing that the first 2-4 rounds are his on speed and activity alone he’ll hope that he took enough wind out of Kovalev so Ginger would be able to outshine Kov in rds 10-12 and “win the story of the fight”.

    The only unknown here being what’ll Kovalev do aside from ramming his jab in Canelos face and trying to keep the distance.
     
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  2. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I noticed that a lot of Canelo haters went from "he will never fight Kova" to "there will be a catchweight" to "there will be some type of rehydration clause" to "Kova is shot, Canelo by stoppage" LOL

    Agree with OP though, Kova is definitely not shot and Canelo might have bitten a bit more than he can chew.
     
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  3. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Are you talking about mexican beef and clenbuterol?
     
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  4. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The two biggest A side in boxing in Canelo and AJ -both have the same problem with stamina.I know I've laboured this point but it's worth repeating when folk predict a Canelo knockout in that if he doesn't get the KO within four rounds,he's unlikely to get the KO from thereon as he noticeably tired and is trying to pace himself for 12 rounds.In most things Inc boxing you get what you put in.Imo Canelo often goes twelve rounds as mentally it's what he was fighting for.
    Kovalev needs to be wary for a few rounds and then he should take a lead out of Ruizs book and don't allow his opponent to have rounds off when he likes of dictate when he likes.
     
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  5. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You have it spot on imo.Did the same to Jacob's and early looked like he could hurt Jacob's at will,something changed however as it went from this to Jacob's looking comfortable imo.
     
  6. Dirsspaardis

    Dirsspaardis Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He tried the same strategy with Golovkin too to some extent. Grab as many early rounds as he can, coast and counter with elements of flashy combinations and then go active again in the final stretch.

    As for the Jacobs fight - the change, IMO, is simple - he gassed so Jacobs became a match in speed department.
     
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  7. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    To be fair it was pathetic to be in that position with having no previous experience to call back on.I think most of us had respect to Yarde going to Russia but at the same time thought he and his promoter were mad for not stepping up to it?
    Canelo will undoubtedly have better technique than Yarde and even timing but there's no way he's physically stronger than him.
    Canelo didn't have much power at 154lbs likely cause of the weight cut?his optimum power would be at 160lbs I hope Canelo doesn't think his KO over Fielding has any bearing on Kovalev at 175lbs or indeed the others at 168lbs?
     
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  8. Angler Andrew

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    Exactly right and the one fight he gets a draw(equals a Canelo loss)Golovkin was all over him for every second of the fight.Kovalev has to have the same mentality as the judges won't recognise him for looking to outbox Canelo.
     
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  9. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I'd like to see him do a back to back Callum double, first Smith and then Johnson. Yarde would go 1-1. I have a hard time seeing any British LHW beating Johnson. including Buatsi.
     
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  10. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Its the volume, speed & variety that cinnamon has too though.. Yarde is fairly low output.. fairly limited.. & at eye level.. Kovalev will be punching downwards in this one, to an extent that he's not really used too .. at this stage Canelo will probably be too young, too elusive & too awkward for a Kovalev who is looking heavier on his feet & who has lost that snap in his shots.. Sort of like Sergio Martinez was towards the end of his career.. I'd love to be wrong though..
     
  11. CST80

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    Canelo has never been high output with a guy with a good jab, why is that going to change all of a sudden? Especially when he's in with the heaviest handed fighter he's ever shared the ring with who's two weight divisions larger? All that speed, volume and variety will be negated. There's a reason why even guys ith good chins at 175 don't take too many risks with even this shot version of Kovalev. His jab is that good, and yes.... still that powerful.
     
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  12. CST80

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    Couldn't agree with this post more. And quite frankly, it's sickening me. I don't play propagandistic games like that. If Canelo does manage to beat him, it will be an impressive accomplishment. Granted, Kovalev is past his best which is why Canelo wants to fight him, but Kovalev is not shot. A shot fighter would lose to Eleider Alvarez in the rematch as well, and would fold and lose to Yarde. Not to mention, Canelo... let's be honest, hasn't looked all that hot in his last few outings. He was sucking air for the last 6 rounds against Jacobs and was sucking air in the third against Fielding. So who knows how good his gas tank will be up at 175? Probably not very. There's too many unknown variables with this match for anyone to start pulling their spin doctoring partisan BS.
     
  13. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Chisora vs Wilder comparison isn't really the same. In all these videos these guys were landing shots fairly consistently. Wilder didn't land anything clean on the hooligan until the 9th round. If Wilder could connect a clean punch in round 3 then he wouldn't have taken 9 rounds to get him out.
     
  14. UKboxingfan

    UKboxingfan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agreed. What a terrible boxer wilder is.
     
  15. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    I don't think Canelo's stamina problems are that bad. You don't go 24 rounds with GGG with bad stamina.