Joe Frazier Would Get countered to Death vs Ruiz Jr

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  1. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Lets take a look at this match.

    Both about 6'0 ,.

    Both volume punchers.


    Only one doesn't like getting hit who is Ruiz and that's bc he has much better skills.

    Ruiz like to stalk guys but Frazier would do all the work here, it would be a very brutal ugly fight but speed and accuracy win for ruiz.

    What actually wins this is chin .

    Ruiz would absorb Fraziers shots ( the ones that land ) but Frazier would not absorb a constant barrage rnd by rnd from Ruiz.

    Why do I bring this match up ?Well its again a constant reminder when you degrade one fighter remember who you are degrading to who he loses to bc the comparisons come back to fighters YOU like from the past from lesser ones.

    Ruiz is our J. Frazier today with better IQ and knw how in ring abilities,he is showing also how difficult ore athletic bigger guys are to cope with bc I promise you Frazier does not have this guys chin ...NO WAY .

    Ruiz has speed /power and chin over Frazier ...yea that's right I said it and what?????

    Ruiz stops Frazier around 8 rounds,both would be game ,both would push each other but girth/speed and overall ability to absorb shots win for Ruiz .
     
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  2. Rikicortz

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  3. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yet failed to dispute anything,?

    Spoiler alert : Wont go good for you at all.
     
  4. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ruiz’s is chin is legit, since I’ve seen him recover from incredible punches in sparring in the past. However, that said I need to see him beat more opponents before saying he would beat Joe Frazier. Beating Joshua, who is still a relatively green fighter isn’t enough. I’m not even 100% sure Ruiz would beat Marvis.
     
  5. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Ruiz beats Smokin Joe, smfh
     
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  6. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Well i'll make it real simple then...

    No one Frazier encounter went in on him besides Foreman.Two knockouts. And Bonevana who we could use that as a green Frazier if we use colors and he was almost knocked out, right ?

    Ruiz has encounter top guys before he was even old enough to drink ,his wins include Parker ( he won that fight ) and Joshua,please tell me who is a 6'6 counter puncher able to hit on inside and out in Fraziers time?

    Someone always beats someone who is green ? Is Aj really green to that to take away from Ruiz? NO

    Color isn't the objective here,its circumstance.

    A SET fight with AJ will be different ,no bouncing around guys ,no this or that..etc..etc....Joshua will smash Ruiz so much Wilders own trainer already saying hes getting paid off and that's bc they don't want to deal with the storm coming at them .

    The match itself favors Ruiz over Frazier.... why?

    Well point me in the direction of anyone like him in the 70's ? i'll glady look at it. To accomplish this you need great work rate/speed /chin and overall ability to counter punch....Foot work is irrelevant ot bc Frazier himself walked with cement boots in comparison to ,todays guys.
     
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  7. gdm

    gdm Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    So now ruiz beats Frazier hahaha , he lost to parker and was just an average HW, but now he beats ATG heavyweights and all this just because he beat british stiff who prob was not allowed to juice as fight was not in UK where he is allowed to juice as much as he wants.
    I guess brits still believe british stiff beats ali , lewis , wlad and tyson in their primes .
     
  8. RacingBeat

    RacingBeat Casual lives matter Full Member

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  9. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Ahahahaha. This thread is pure gold.
     
  10. gdm

    gdm Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Frazier would KO Ruiz and Joshua.
     
  11. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    I'd have to see how Ruiz throws his combos against someone who is constantly bobbing and weaving. The shots that hit AJ were winging shots. Yeah, Ruiz can throw accurate, but when he threw combinations, different story. One could say he looped them because of the height of his opponent but that isn't Joe.
    Who has he fought that has a quicker release than Joe's? Who has Ruiz fought that has a left hook that is fast & accurate?

    And Foreman's greatest success may have been called out with a different referee as he kept pushing Joe off/back.

    Frazier easily anyway any day.
     
  12. Somali Sanil

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    Nobody u'ds prime Frazier, he either swamps you or you have to be an atg puncher to stop him..BUT...The natural size difference here plays a massive part, it doesn't seem to hamper Ruiz, hes fast as F and hes tough. Frazier MD in a real hard bruising fight
     
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  13. Richard M Murrieta

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    Andy Ruiz may very well go down as the better champions in heavyweight history. It was quite an accomplishment to beat quite a dominating champion in Anthony Joshua. But as they say time will tell. Many said the same thing after Ingemar Johansson knocked out Floyd Patterson, the night of June 26 1959, in New York. What was the term used on Ingemar, Thunder Of A Right Hand, no misspelling, but Toonder, because of the way Johannson pronounced it. Everyone was saying how the new champ could beat fighters from the past. On June 20 1960, in New York, Floyd landed his left hook on Ingemar, and it was all over, in round 6. Referee Arthur Mercante tolled the 10 count over the deposed ex-champion. Who knows what lies ahead for Ruiz. Maybe the ballyhoo will catch up with him, maybe all that bliss and money. Joe Frazier had to work his way up against the best fighters of his era, Oscar Bonavena, George Chuvalo, Jimmy Ellis, Doug Jones, and Jerry Quarry. This is before he earned his stripes by defeating Muhammad Ali, in the Fight Ot The Century, on March 8 1971, in Madison Square Garden. Frazier was a hungry fighter who had a family to feed, not to feed a well nourished promoter. He did not sob over the purses, like champions do today. He fought with heart and prestige. He had a passion for his chosen profession, and winning. No verbal intimidation with Joe, fists do the talking. Joe would apply immense pressure on both Joshua and Ruiz, in a 15 rounder. This is prime Frazier,we are talking about. Ruiz does not hit like prime 1973 George Foreman. Joe would stop AJ just like he did when he stopped Big Buster Mathis, in 11 rounds, on March 4 1968. At this juncture Frazier would take Andy's best, then rip those destructive left hooks to Andy's midriff taking the wind out of his sails,along with a lot of pressure to stop Ruiz in 6. Time will tell after the rematch with Anthony, if Andy wins impressively, then these presumptions could all change. And then I might have a different opinion, especially after a few more big wins. Anything is possible.
     
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  14. red_roo

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    Everybody could cee AJ didn't look right an how good Ruiz was looking .
    AJ know's why he lost to Ruiz .
    Didn't train as much thought he didn't have to .
    Family darma .
    Or other wife women extra extra extra """"" """""
    Only AJ will know how to Fix that problem an where it affected his ability
    AJ v Ruiz going in rematch is looking like a big X factor .
    Not to much to say until after the rematch .
    Cee what kinda information output comes from the rematch ,
    New Chapter coming out somewhere near U SoON very soon . A very interesting bout rematch will be .
    Can't wait to Cee this when it arrives
    Got da BANG bang Look this one .
     
  15. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    ....In the same night. Ruiz is a good HW. He lost to Parker, regardless of what anyone says, the fact he struggled against Parker is evidence of what an ATG like Frazier woukd do to him.

    Ruiz can't even get off the snickers diet for a HW title fight. Frazier would maul Ruiz to death. There's nothing Ruiz possesses to stop that happening. Ali couldn't stop him coming and he is much more skilled and hits harder.
     
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