How do you think old-school boxers (pre-1950s) would perform against today’s top competitors?

Bukkake · Oct 2, 2019

Robney said: ↑

You have a point there.
Which means you would have to put the old timer middleweights against modern welters
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Exactly!

mark ant · Oct 2, 2019

FastSmith7 said: ↑

They wouldn't do nearly as well and would get battered by the best today.
The talent pool today is much bigger than in 1950s, probably 5x as many people do boxing now, with talent pool 5x the size, the average level will rise, especially that boxing was only big in America back then really.
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Willie Pep was years ahead of the game back then, I saw a film study by an MMA expert youtuber who said some MMA fighters are actually using Pep`s moves now, that`s how evolved his technique was, amazing.

mark ant · Oct 2, 2019

Robney said: ↑

Not very good.
The old timers at welter for instance would basically be smallish semi-pro lightweights, because of the de- and rehydration tricks of the current boxers.
Also, place them in this time and they wouldn't be connected to one of the major promotors and thus wouldn't be able to get a decision against their much bigger opposition anyway, even if they were to outbox them.
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Well wouldn`t old time welters just fight at lightweight instead then?

mark ant · Oct 2, 2019

Tramell said: ↑

They would do FAR BETTER in this era, than today's would do if we placed them back in yesteryear's era, where no PPV, meant U R fighting 10x a year minimum.

No plethora of belts, so guys can't opt to fight for one belt and move up.
No hand injections for Mayweather.
No catch weights for Pac to win titles.
And if we go Pre-Dempsey aint no count...They get dropped, as soon as they get up , no count, gotta scrap.

Hank Armstrong's output, Ray Robinson's One punch KO power, Archie Moore's 132 KOs, Burley's high connect rate. Marciano today is a legit Cruiser.
Usyk aint walking thru Marciano, he got a war on his hands. Pep & Sadler aren't getting outclassed.

HW's today have the lowest punch output IMO in the history of HW's. Fury, Wilder, AJ, these dudes have no clue what its like to face fighters who throw & worry about consequences later.

Give the old timers today's conditioning coach, nutritionists, multiple belts per division to vie for, haggling over gloves, ring size, venue 4 home advantage, opportunity to catch a foe at the wrong weight-& they will do fine.

Today's fighters in yesteryear? 100-200 fights in a career? And dirty tactics were quite common. They bring roughhouse tactics that would make Ward look like a boyscout boxer.
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Pep was years ahead of the game back then, and still better defensively than most fighters today.

Veys9 · Oct 2, 2019

Nobody brought a mandatory Luis Ortiz joke yet?

mark ant · Oct 2, 2019

Enigmadanks said: ↑

I disagree with this notion. Boxing was the most popular sport in the United States from the turn of last century until the 1940's when baseball usurped it as most popular. It remained the second most popular sport in the country until the 1970's when basketball and eventually football (NFL) surpassed it as well. Boxing also had scholarships offered for collegiate level boxing (NCAA,) until the 1960's which allowed kids who would have no chance going to a university to parlay their boxing skills into earning a bachelor's degree, something that hasn't been around in the US for over 50 years now.

What does that mean? Well a lot of the young athletes gravitated towards boxing at a young age from 1900-1950 since basketball wasn't around and football was in its infancy stage. Almost all the young athletes flocked to boxing gyms or got into baseball at a young age. For the last 30 years (at minimum,) barely any of our top athletes in the states start boxing at a young age since parents don't want their kids punching each other in the head (CTE reasons,) and because a lot of the other sports have just a high a reward system with a fraction of the risk from a physical standpoint.

Boxing is a niche sport as far as popularity is concerned in the United States. Compare that to the UK where it's arguably the second most popular sport in that region behind futbol/soccer. That's the reason there's so many UK fighters from a smaller population source compared to the states.

there's this old saying that the heavyweight champion of the world is playing in the NFL. There's a lot of merit to what I'm saying since only a diminutive fraction of our top tier athletes go into boxing from a young age in comparison to pre-1950. Hence the reason why the majority of the ATG's are American's and from the pre-1950's.
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Other countries have caught up with American boxing, their trainers have more knowledge of the sport than they did in yesteryear.

dealt_with · Oct 2, 2019

As in how they were back then, transported to today? They’d get beaten up and quit boxing before we’d ever heard of them. If you mean those same guys having the advantage of starting now and having the sport evolved behind them, plus some less silly training, less silly diet etc... some of them could do well. They obviously wouldn’t do as well as they did back then, because boxing is a global sport now and just from those numbers/additional styles the likelihood of them succeeding is greatly diminished.

notjustacasual · Oct 2, 2019

Enigmadanks said: ↑

I disagree with this notion. Boxing was the most popular sport in the United States from the turn of last century until the 1940's when baseball usurped it as most popular. It remained the second most popular sport in the country until the 1970's when basketball and eventually football (NFL) surpassed it as well. Boxing also had scholarships offered for collegiate level boxing (NCAA,) until the 1960's which allowed kids who would have no chance going to a university to parlay their boxing skills into earning a bachelor's degree, something that hasn't been around in the US for over 50 years now.

What does that mean? Well a lot of the young athletes gravitated towards boxing at a young age from 1900-1950 since basketball wasn't around and football was in its infancy stage. Almost all the young athletes flocked to boxing gyms or got into baseball at a young age. For the last 30 years (at minimum,) barely any of our top athletes in the states start boxing at a young age since parents don't want their kids punching each other in the head (CTE reasons,) and because a lot of the other sports have just a high a reward system with a fraction of the risk from a physical standpoint.

Boxing is a niche sport as far as popularity is concerned in the United States. Compare that to the UK where it's arguably the second most popular sport in that region behind futbol/soccer. That's the reason there's so many UK fighters from a smaller population source compared to the states.

there's this old saying that the heavyweight champion of the world is playing in the NFL. There's a lot of merit to what I'm saying since only a diminutive fraction of our top tier athletes go into boxing from a young age in comparison to pre-1950. Hence the reason why the majority of the ATG's are American's and from the pre-1950's.
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Ive explained this over and over on here but the loma-usyk-hrgovic fans for obvious reasons dont want to hear it.

Fact is boxing went from being a hugely popular sport in the US to barely even a niche sport today. Its been a slow and steady descent over decades. These days most young americans know very little about the sport.

Put it this way most top american fighters these days wouldnt make the top 10 all time americans in their divisions.

Most top euro fighters today are the bezt ever euro in their divisions.

It doesnt take a genius to see that, but these guys are being willfuly ignorant to push an agenda.

mrtony80 · Oct 2, 2019

Guys from the 40s would think they were seeing sorcery from a prime Mayweather.

Goose · Oct 2, 2019

mrtony80 said: ↑

Guys from the 40s would think they were seeing sorcery from a prime Mayweather.
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Yeah ook
If basic Castillo can get in on Floyd, SRR would have no problem.

DonnyMo · Oct 2, 2019

The old timers would dominate. They were much more complete fighters. The depth of boxing in the US alone, the number of active registered fighters and trainers, was far greater than the world combined today.

40-50s? Take Robinson, Armstrong, Louis, Graziano, Zale, Pep and Cerdan.....they take out all your champs today.

The problem is people always compare the cream of the crop vs the cream of the crop...

Take the top 25 of every weight class from back in the day and pit them against the top ten of all your belts today....slaughterhouse.

Bukkake · Oct 2, 2019

DonnyMo said: ↑

The old timers would dominate. They were much more complete fighters. The depth of boxing in the US alone, the number of active registered fighters and trainers, was far greater than the world combined today.

40-50s? Take Robinson, Armstrong, Louis, Graziano, Zale, Pep and Cerdan.....they take out all your champs today.

The problem is people always compare the cream of the crop vs the cream of the crop...

Take the top 25 of every weight class from back in the day and pit them against the top ten of all your belts today....slaughterhouse.
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Are you saying, that back in the 40s and 50s there were far more registered fighters in the US alone - than in the entire world today?

Heavy_Hitter · Oct 2, 2019

mark ant said: ↑

How do you think old-school boxers (pre-1950s) would perform against today’s top competitors if they were brought back to life in their prime, and exposed to modern training techniques, nutrition, and etc?
Please tell me if this belongs in classic.

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They would beat up Tyson Fury. If Otto Wallin did it.

Heavy_Hitter · Oct 2, 2019

bruce_keyes said: ↑

they would perform quite poorly, because back in the 50's there was no SNAC supplements. and the trainers back then weren't as good as todays, like Tunde Ajayi, Abel Sanchez, Shane McGuigan and etc...
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Andy Ruiz without modern snickers bars would be a middleweights in the 50s

roughdiamond · Oct 2, 2019

This question again...

Guess what? Boxers would win, some would lose. Your question is vague Mark.

What boxers, for example?

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