Fighter of the decade.

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  1. maac

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    Too many different responses, it means not clear cut winner. Someone pretending Pac resume
    is inferior to retired FMJr, not! IMO only 2 can be: 1) Ward (i hate him but... resume speaks) 2) Pac
     
  2. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fighter of the decade is Canelo and if he beats Kovalev it's by a landsilde..
    From 2010-2019
    Wins vs Trout, Lara, Angulo, Smith, Khan, Chavez jr, GGG, Jacobs, Fielding, Mosley, Lopez, Cotto, Kovalev* only loss to Mayweather and a draw to GGG
    Winning the WBC, WBA & WBO titles at JMW and was unified WBC/WBA JMW Champ. The WBC 2x, WBA, & IBF titles at MW was Lineal Champ also unified WBC/WBA/IBF pretty much being Undisputed Champ at MW, on top of the WBA Title at SMW and potentially the WBO title at LHW.
    If you want to simply look at the quality of champs he beat for his titles (154 vacant WBC Rhodes top 5, WBA Trout #1, WBO Smith top 5),(160 WBC Cotto #1, WBC/WBA GGG II #1, IBF Jacobs #3), (168 WBA Fielding top 10 & 175 WBO Kovalev #2) yall need to stop hating on thisan close fights or not he's one of the few guys who fight good fights.
    Hell look at a so called champ like Andrade his best wins are on par with Canelo wins over Baldomir and Cintron, hell Vazquez is a better win than some of these fighter have and that's a shame and a testament
     
  3. YCGS

    YCGS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People saying Mayweather are delusional.
    - A decent win over a shopworn Cotto
    - Excellent performance against Canelo but at a catchweight
    - Decent win against a passed prime Pacquiao

    No way he deserves it. He isn't even a top 3 IMO

    Should go to either Andre Ward or Choclatito.
     
  4. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    You think that Gonzalez did better work than Mayweather this decade?

    I was thinking that Estrada and Rungvisai were hall of fame bound and prime when he beat them, but welterweight is a tad more competitive so comparing huge divisions to smaller divisions is a little bit like comparing apples to oranges. So maybe, Estrada and Rungvisai wouldn't have been top guns in a more competitive division like Welterweight with twice or thrice the number of fighters? Or like, with the fluctuating of primes comparing the relative worth of opponents also becomes difficult. Pacquiao is maybe a top 10 ATG, but he was so seriously diminished by the time he fought Mayweather that he might just be a very good world class level fighter like maybe Brook, Khan, or Bradley were around the same period. Then there was the matter of the injured shoulder and Mayweather's TUE, which really take the **** out of that win even further. There is the manner of the win which was kind of awful and pathetic. On paper it looks good, just the name looks good, but in practice the victory might amount to less than Gonzalez' victory over Sosa, Viloria, or Yaegashi.

    Like you, I'm not super impressed with Pacquiao's run this decade either. I felt like him and Mayweather were cherry picking, trying desperately to avoid the young up and coming welters Thurman, Bradley, Spence, Khan, and Brook. How do you avoid all of those guys and claim you are the best? How do you pick Guerrero, or Rios over them and expect people not to laugh? I'm kind of astonished that Pacquiao eventually fought Thurman, but if he hadn't let Bob Arum hold him back he could have easily fought every one of them and made a sensational legacy at welterweight win lose or draw. Mayweather chose to duck all five, but made up for it somewhat by fighting Canelo. I'll give him that.
     
  5. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    On paper, Canelo's wins look good. On paper. But we all know that four or five of his best wins should be losses. You can bribe a judge, but not a journalist or a historian, which is who's job it is to pick Fighter of the Decade.
     
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  6. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    For me it Pacquaio by a mile......................
    Forget Mayweather, the last time he entered the ring against a legitimate opponent was against Pac. That was May2 2015 almost 5 years ago. Plus that "fight" should be stricken from the records due to Mayweathers IV gate scandal. The reason the NSAC stated " Mr Mayweather did nothing wrong we will not be investigating " ROFL
    The reason they couldnt investigate was because they were up to their asses in the corruption themselves
    Same goes for Canelo & his " tainted meat" lol Notice the same players & venue are featured here too.
    Neither come close to Manny Paquaio.
     
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  7. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Great Post
     
  8. Boxing Prospect

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    IMO Mayweather's run for the decade was better due to wins over Pacquiao and Canelo. We can argue about pre-prime and post prime but Mayweather was also beyond his prime when he scored those wins. Both of them filled their records with "names" as opposed to quality, but a win over Pacquiao beats a loss to Mayweather.
     
  9. Boxing Prospect

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    Yup!

    With wins over Estrada, Rodriguez, Yaegashi, Viloria (fine a washed up version of Viloria but still no worse than a win over this decade's version of Mosely), Arroyo (who was robbed of the IBF title) and Cuadras he beat champions and did so on the road. He also moved well beyond his best weight (he began the decade as a Minimumweight champion and moved all the way up to 115), rather than sticking around. He lacks the names known in the west but in terms of quality he beat 3 guys who went on to do something (Estrada and Rodriguez unified titles, Yaegashi dropped down to become a 3 weight champion), so it's not like he was beating washed up guys at the end of their careers.

    Whether you give him the Srisaket win or not the one over Estrada is about as good a win as we've had in the decade.
     
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  10. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well the general consensus when it happened was Canelo beat Trout and Lara that's 2, GGG I was a draw and he beat him and beat him up in the rematch.
    Every single GREAT fighter in history has had close fights against other GREAT fighters very rarely is it a blow out so your point is kinda irrelevant. Nobody has challenged themselves more and won as much. You crying about close fights meanwhile the people you hype up haven't even fought let alone beat the same quality of fighters.
     
  11. IsaL

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    If Canelo beats Kovalev then he will undoubtedly be crowned FOTD, if he loses he will still have a great case for being FOTD.
     
  12. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    In a fair unbiased world Canelo lost to GGG x2 Lara Trout & Floyd That FIVE LOSSES!!! Only Vegas gave him 4 BS "wins" he did not deserve including robbing GGG of his titles. When 85-90 % of boxing fraternity agree with this there must be some wrongdoing afoot
     
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  13. acie2g

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    @OvidsExile Gonzalez would be a solid pick if he finished the decade a little better I was and am a big fan of his and like to see him getting some shout for FOTD but idk for the majority the the decade Pacquiao, Gonzalez and Mayweather til 2015 were all perennial rated higher P4P than Canelo who until recently has never gotten that consideration. Gonzalez had an incredible run unbeaten mutlidivisional champ until the b2b losses to Sor and that's really the last impression of him. Mayweather I think gets disqualified from being top 3 because he retired in 2015 although his record in this decade is impeccable wins over literally every single fight was vs a top 5 CHAMPION which I guess could make him #4.
    Between Manny,Canelo, and Gonzalez I might have it Canelo 1, Manny 2 and Gonzalez 3 while I think Manny and Roman can be a flip for #2 thinking about it that might be the top 3 contenders.
     
  14. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    The fights in Vegas who do you thing gets the dec if it goes 12 ??? Canelo's really had FIVE LOSSES to date he isnt even in the running for FOD But its your choice go ahead support the Ped's cheats & cash cows all you want the REAL boxing people know who the REAL champions are
    Kovalev has to KO Clenelo 5 times to lose a SD
     
  15. IsaL

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    Are you going to cry when he gets crowned FOTD?