USYK size vs Previous Heavyweight Greats. Exactly the same size as the 70s and 80s elite.

Ali has always had a rounded face, we are going on face shapes now, pathetic I’m out lol

 

Fat face = higher body fat. There we go.

 

Based on Moorer's nonexistent chin. IMO doesn't take much to drop Michael. Takes a lot to avoid that bomb in his hand, though. And you are right, I won't crown him champ over one win @ HW.

 

Ali was very light in his second fight with Frazier and was nowhere near 230 in his first fight with Frazier and in Zaire also, Ali would have been very slow at 230 and looked flabby and slow in his third fight v Frazier no way could he have beat the better conditioned Usyk weighing 230, that was when Ali wasn`t really training well at all, far too heavy for him and his style.

 

Ali did not have a rounded face during the 60`s at all and his face got rounder towards the end of his career when he wasn`t training properly, Holmes who was often Ali`s sparring partner said AAli would only train for thwe last two weeks of training camp and Ali was completely flabby and out of shape in Manilla and in his tird fight with Norton.

 

I never said he was that weight for Frazier, I said he moved up and down in weight within a 6-8 month period in 1971 between 220-228 and back down again demonstrating his ease to move between those weights when fighting different people, Same as fighting mac foster at 226-227 the year after, after training down in weight for fights in between and after. bearing in mind that was on weigh in as well so will have weighed more for the fights it’s self,he still would have had enough speed to deal with the heavyweight s of today, imo, my point is add another stone on top of usyk at the moment I really don’t think he would look in any better shape than Ali did and definitely don’t think he would carry his speed in the same way as Ali did because he genuinely isn’t as big of a guy naturally. What’s your problem with that? Ps Please read my posts properly if you are going to respond to me bud.

 

Agreed! If Usyk can't get the respect with power, he needs to box like he's never done. The big guys can make 10 mistakes, Usyk can make only 1. I will be rooting for the "little" guy for sure.

 

He wasn`t as fast as Usyk when he weighed 228.

 

Usyk makes less mistakes than any of the top heavies today.

 

Maybe not but this thread is about how someone felt that usyk would be a good yardstick for how Ali , foreman ect would do in this era and my point is that usyk has not fought as heavy as those boys which would evidently make it even easier , not impossible by no means to hang with the modern heavies, along with the fact at the moment that usyk has an unproven chin in with elite heavies unlike those boys and he doesn’t have as much power as those boys neither, and I’m telling you now usyk weighing 228 would not be as fast as Ali at 228 like he isn’t as fast at 215 as Ali was at 215, now taking all those points into account that is why it isn’t a fair comparison as to how those previous 70s heavyweight s mentioned would do in this era, too many intangibles, just because he has a few dimensions near to those guys. That’s my point, stop trying to make it into something it’s not.

 

I just get fed up with fans thinking the heavier AAli was any good, he looked really bad when he didn`t train.

 

These weights were 1971 -2 obviously he was no where near prime. but pre Zaire and other good performances, but also no where near the later part of his career neither when massively untrained, he weighed heavier for heavier opponents like mathis ect and one of my points is could usyk do that and still perform good enough like Ali did. but the fights he had with those opponents were not anything like the later young fight when older ect he still won reasonably easy and had very good speed IMO at the side of these slow heavies today. So I think it’s a very valid point to the thread, especially as we haven’t seen usyk fight anywhere near those weights and do not know what the extra 12-14 lbs would do to his performance.

 

What does Usyks size and weight comparison to 70’s and 80’s heavies have to do with him competing against bigger men?

 

These threads are funny. Usyk has good potential and I look forward to seeing how well he does. I miss the old days when fighters could lose a fight and come back to win another. On boxing forums, when a guy wins a fight, people start asking if a guy is an ATG. When a guy loses a fight, he’s “exposed” and tossed out like garbage. Usyk is super skilled but lacks size of the top guys. He has to fight flawlessly to beat the top guys because most of them (except Fury who has freakish size and great movement and ring IQ) have one punch KO power. Usyk has pretty good power but not the one punch variety. This makes for some interesting possibilities.

Fortunately for Usyk, all of the top guys have major flaws that can be exploited. Unfortunately, Usyk only has a few years of prime left. If he’s going to be successful I suspect it’s going to have to be in the next three years. Once he starts slowing down, his biggest advantage will be diminished. Guys like Fury, Klitch, and AJ have immense size which will continues to be an advantage as they age. Lots of big HWs have great punching power which typically doesn’t go away with age. Usyk’s advantage has a shelf life. If he’s going to be successful at this weight, he can’t afford to wait too long.

 

Because if he can`t compete with big men due to his size the greats from the past around his size couldn`t have competed either for the same reason.