Fighters winning titles and being called ATGs before they even get to 20 fights...

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  1. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who is calling Beterbiev an ATG?
     
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  2. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    holyfield by fight 20 had fought

    Qawi x 2
    Tilman
    Ocasio
    Dokes
    De Leon
    Pinklon thomas
    Tillis (good gatekeeper)
     
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  3. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's not like Hot Rod, Koelling and Callum Johnson were bad wins either. Dude has a decent resume, but still plenty more to do. It's early days for him so why make that comparison now? Beterbiev is also very avoided, hell Ward avoided him by retiring when he was mandatory. So hypothetically if he wiped Ward out would he be #1 p4p in your eyes?
     
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  4. Oakland Billy Smith

    Oakland Billy Smith Active Member banned Full Member

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    If he beat Ward I dont know that I'd put him #1 P4P, but that would certainly be a career defining win.
    But you kind of made my point by saying he's still in the early days, and has a ways to go.....
    The guy is 34 and has a bruising style, just how long do you think he'll be around, and do you think he'll have the time needed to rebuild if he does suffer a tough defeat?
     
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  5. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If he faces Kovalev and Bivol and beats them he's already one of the best light heavyweights ever. Bonuses would include Zurdo Ramirez or Canelo if they can happen. Plus he has a relatively short career so far and has achieved plenty, he could recover from a loss easily enough like Gvozdyk should.
     
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  6. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Idk man Berterbiev is 35 already unless he fights them b2b2b its probably not gonna happen maybe he gets Kovalev when he presumably beats Alvarez. But honestly he bar is set so low for this generation that 3 Elite quality wins is enough to be am ATG.. I mean I don't really think a guy like Ward has enough fights the be called an ATG so for me it's about quality and quantity.
     
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  7. Heavy_Hitter

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    It's better then Wilder or Fury style fighting D minus bums for 50 fights and then getting beat up by the bums.
     
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  8. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    Lomachenko had 15 fights, 10 of his opponents were former or current champions.
    Wilder had 42 fights, only 2 of his opponents were former or current champions. The rest were actually journeymen excluding Ortiz.
    Yet the latter is the superior career path according to a warped individual like yourself.
    All of your tribalist agenda pushing threads backfire. Don't you get bored of getting proven wrong all the time?
     
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  9. Oakland Billy Smith

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    Wilder having a weak resume is a bit overblown IMO..
    Wilder has beaten a few guys that might not get a lot of love today, but were considered threats when Wilder faced them.

    Sergey Laohovich, Chris Areola, Malik Scott, Audley Harrison, Eric Molina Dominic Breazelle and Tyson Fury are all on his resume
     
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  10. Oakland Billy Smith

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    And yet, no one is talking about Loma or his next fight, are they?
    Conversely, Wilder has 3 or 4 potential super fights on the horizon, all of which are highly winnable for him.

    Not too bad for a guy who only fights journeyman
     
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  11. ellerbe

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    Yeah but how many former champs are there at HW? Wlad dominated that division for so long there wasn't that many options. Loma got to fight some really shitty ex-champions and mediocre fighters.
     
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  12. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    Lomachenko has the best resume in boxing currently apart from Canelo. Keep coping you miserable hater.
     
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  13. HerolGee

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    my thought is that it is the start of one, not a mid career one.

    though i am not big on bivol myself.
     
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  14. ellerbe

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    Who has he fought? Crawford and Loma's resume is practically identical. Neither has a stand out win. Just a bunch of B level opponents.
     
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  15. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    Crawford has never fought anyone on the level of Gary Russel Jr. His best win is Viktor Postol.
     
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