Canelo Álvarez At Light Heavyweight ~ A Much Needed Reality Check.

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  1. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    I think that Canelo has bitten off more than he can chew here. This is not like Miguel Cotto moving up and fighting an old wounded Martinez as some fans seem to think.
     
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  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    So I guess you're saying that Showtime okay'd the ending of Gvozdyk-Stevenson? Or that DAZN signed off on the Ruiz-Joshua upset? How about that 1st round KO of their new acquisition Linares by that FS1 curtain jerker Cano.

    That's one of the more asinine things I've ever read on a message board. Sorry.

    The best-laid plans of mice and men often go awry. No matter how carefully a project is planned, something may still go wrong with it.

    The overwhelming prevalence of conspiratorial thinking lately is really starting the worry me.
     
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  3. MrFoFody

    MrFoFody Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I believe Canelo is taking on Kovalev for a legacy defining fight as Kovalev is still considered #1 @ 175. To say he's taking on Kovalev to avoid Golovkin is laughable as Kovalev would ko Golovkin under 7rds.
    I fully expect Kovalev to win vs Canelo and I'll be happy to cash in my winnings after the match.
     
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  4. twopiece

    twopiece Pugilistic Ambassador Full Member

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    Great opening post, CST. Very good discussion everyone.

    To answer a key question that was asked, "Yes... I'd personally want and expect to see Saul continue onward to face the likes of Bivol, the Nail, and any other top LHW in the division."

    At first glance, I realize that stating this seems kind of heartless and bloodthirsty. Thing is, this is Sergey Kovalev he has chosen to fight and it's for a Championship. Should Saul manage to legimately win (bearing in mind what he's actually going up against), the idea would permeate among many that he'd also be able to take on and defeat the other top LHWs. Therefore, naturally there will be much speculation surrounding the other match-ups -- it would be inevitable.

    Should he fail... well, the possibility of being destroyed is one that he and his team should've had in mind when making the decision to actively pursue a fight against KOvalev (a heavy handed technical boxer at least two weight divisions above him naturally). In Boxing, such realities are often quite harsh.

    There could be a brutal ending. But I just want to see the better man win, and without any controversy whatsoever. Hoping it's Kovalev though... and unapologetically so.
     
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  5. Oakland Billy Smith

    Oakland Billy Smith Active Member banned Full Member

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    Honestly he's just going up for this fight, im sure he has no plans to stick around and no one should expect him to.

    Ray Leanord wasnt built for Light Heavy either but he still went up for a fight or two.

    The truth is Canelo's career is windiing down and hes looking for a couple more scalps and a couple more achievement on his resume
     
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  6. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Guess we will agree to disagree. You clearly can’t put the puzzle together. Start from the top: No one has had more corrupt bribed judging in his favor than Canelo. This includes protection from the Ref. As for Ruiz Joshua, neither of them are the poster boy for DAZN. Canelo is. Nearly Half a billion dollars worth in his contract alone. You bring up Gvozdyk-Stevenson which itself is clearly WAY different. Canelo isn’t forty mate. GTFO of here with that ****. Sure IF Canelo was forty that might be reasonable to bring up. You’re not just a clown, you’re the entire circus if you believe it’s in any way similar.
     
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  7. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Yeah, but Stevenson did have two wee little thngs going for him that Canelo didn't. He's a KO artist and actually a Light Heavyweight not a pudgy Middleweight fighting two divisions north of his natural weight class.

    AJ was pretty close to the poster boy for DAZN, maybe a hair beneath Canelo in terms of significance for that brand, what the **** are you talking about?
     
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  8. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    You brought up the end of Gvozdyk-Stevenson. The end occurred due to Stevenson’s age. Period. At forty plus he didn’t have it. You brought it up in comparison to Canelo. It was a weak example. DAZN signed a deal with Matchroom and Eddie Hearn, NOT JOSHUA. Canelo was the first individual Boxer they signed, naming him as their poster boy. Either you are a troll, or uneducated but no no, keep bringing up incorrect points and vague comparisons and I’ll keep educating you. Least you’re learning.
     
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  9. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    I'd assume you share the same fears for usyk then?
     
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  10. Oakland Billy Smith

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    Nah, Wilder will put him away quick, no risk of prolonged punishment
     
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  11. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You know if he fought Berterbiev next he'd be 35 also
     
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  12. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    No, it occurred, because Gvozdyk punched him in the head really hard. Hopkins was damn near fifty and got punched in the head countless times by Kovalev and then Joe Smith Jr, he was fine. Not weak in the least.

    Matchroom is JOSHUA. Canelo is obviously very important to them, but so is Joshua. But fate dealt them a bad hand. t.

    Keep calling moderators trolls, you won't last long, many aren't as lenient as I.

    I'm merely pointing out that the people spewing all of the Golden Boy has all this figured out nonsense... what you all are, conspiracy theorists. You've all been lulled into some kind of obedient nodding trance, where you just expect things to happen because that's the way they're supposed to happen. Boxing doesn't work like that, sorry. Especially when fighters move up several divisions, the sport is littered with countless cautionary tales, the most recent sure thing was Horn-Zerafa, yeah that turned out just like they "planned" it.:lol:
     
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  13. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I guess you'd have no issue with Errol Spence or Terrence Crawford moving up to face Golovkin then right? Easy money right? No concerns at all.

    You know as well as I, that weight divisions exist for a reason, and weight divisions only go up so far. Because anyone over 200 pounds are big and can usually take a punch, maybe they aren't Wilder and Joshua big, but hey, making a Super Heavyweight division is a discussion for another thread, which I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of.

    As far as I go, yeah, I'm not all that thrilled with the idea of Usyk taking a ton of punishment against a legit Heavyweight. Depending on how he fares in his next few matches, will determine how comfortable I am seeing him share the ring with one of them. But had he moved right up to Heavyweight and debuted against Wladimir Klitchko, which Canelo-Kovalev is the equivalent of, yeah, I'd be terrified for Usyk.
     
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  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I only wish that the "fans" on here were as visibly worried and shook as Bernard Hopkins about this match.
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  15. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Ban me because you’re personally wrong. Nice. You are a troll. That’s just a fact. I’m done with your ignorance.
     
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