Why did Lennox Lewis have so much trouble with Ray Mercer?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Lewis had already easily outclasse Morrison by this time and Tommy outboxed Mercer before getting caught.
     
  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    He wasn`t v Larry though.
     
  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Would make an interesting thread.
     
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  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Mercer wouldn`t be the fourth best heavyweight now in his prime.
     
  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    No, he was easy to hit and Larry jabbed his head off.
     
  6. mark ant

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    Witherspoon was well into his thirties by then and was no longer rated in the top 10 by that stage.
     
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  7. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's what I remember , Mercer's jab bothered him a lot and he couldn't really hurt Mercer either, whicj is why I wouldn't give Lewis a good chance to beat guys like Sonny Liston or Foreman
     
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  8. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wow. Go. Go on, go
     
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  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Yes that was after getting punched all over the place, Morrison was landing at will.
     
  10. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think, head-to-head, a Mercer who was on song could be a nightmare for most Heavyweights. People criticizing his loss to Holmes seem to forget that Mercer was almost 28 when he turned pro and was, unfortunately, still on a learning curve in his 19th outing, when he met an old, but resurgent and wily Holmes, who had a point to prove.

    Prior to that, he'd won with sheer competitive spirit and brute force, against unbeaten Damiani and unbeaten Morrison, both by stoppage. This, with roughly two years experience, as a pro, and less than twenty bouts under his belt.

    On career achievement, it is unlikely he could be considered the fourth best Heavyweight of the 90s. But, he has a good claim for being ranked in the top-10 for the period.

    Head-to-head, the obvious names of Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe and Tyson crowd the top half of that list. And Mercer is in tough company, with Ruddock, Old Foreman, Morrison, Moorer and Tua being other names that could be thrown into the midway-to-bottom-half of that mix.

    Lewis/Mercer probably brought the best out of Mercer and a side of Lewis, we had not seen before. We'd see Lewis dig deep again, seven years later, in 2003. It was part of his makeup, if the circumstance arose and he was given the chance.
     
  11. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Or Lewis is overrated....
     
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  12. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think Lewis is overrated...except when I see his name above these:

    1. Ali
    2. Louis
    3. Holmes
    4. Holyfield
    5. Lewis
    6. Foreman
    7. Marciano
    8. Frazier
    9. Wlad
    10. Tyson
     
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  13. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, but let's not forget how effective Larry's right hand was in that fight. He caught Mercer with some sweet shots from that corner.
     
  14. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Ngl I can't see Rocky above Joe or Wlad. Not got the résumé or longevity of Wlad.
    Can you run through Holyfield over Lewis?
    I think it's close but I don't have Holyfield as high due to a lack of consistency (as in he lost to the best he fought and quite often in the 90s) and based on the whole Evan Fields fiasco
     
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  15. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lewis got knocked out by two losers during his hey day and couldn't consummately beat a way-past-it Holyfield (and it looked to me as though Klitschko was winning that fight when it was stopped). I didn't think much of LL's win over Tyson (certainly not that Tyson). I also must mention that I feel the pre-Steward Lewis was below Bowe, Holy, and Foreman...too one-handed a fighter (more than Frazier, without question). If anyone was ducking between Bowe and LL, it was LL (though it turns out their problems were overwhelmingly financial).

    Holyfield had one of the greatest hearts ever in the division. He beat prime Bowe (only person to do that, period, though I don't entirely agree with the scoring of that fight), kicked the crap out of champ Tyson (who only had one defeat at the time), beat Foreman and Holmes (who were still legitimate contenders, easily). Sure, he lost some fights he shouldn't...but not in the way LL did.

    All that said, Lewis became a super fighter with Steward, and I happen to admire and respect his accomplishments overall from that period very, very much. Great fighter.