If Canelo wins he is #1 of his era NO QUESTION

Excellent way of summing it up.
I am no Canelo fan either, but if I am supposed to marvel at the accomplishments of a guy like Olksander Usyk for beating Mario Breides and Mark Gassiav, surely Canelo must be hailed as the true #1 P4P king if he can successfully pull this feat off.
Hell even if he loses in a competitive fight he would still have an argument IMO

 

Im sorry but Loma doesnt even belong in this conversation.
It should take more than beating Nicholas Walters and a semi retired Rigo.
Not saying the talent potential isn't there, but his ring accomplishment look like Kindergarten compared to the other names you mentioned

And honestly, neither does Crawford at this point. He is same as Loma, uber talented guy who continues fighting no hopers like Postol and Horn

 

Since when should anyone get so much credit for winning a fight as a 4-1 favorite?

 

I dont much stock in betting odds. Do you really believe those are realistic odds?

 

Yes. The odds are like that because Kovalev is old, already fought 2 times this year and only had 6 weeks to train for the fight, plus there is a rehydration clause working against him. And the judges of course.

 

I believe he is same age that Floyd was when Canelo fought him.
And if you ask me at that age fighting more than twice a year is actually beneficial

 

Completely different story, Alvarez was drained in that fight because of the catchweight, and was green back then.
In this fight, Kovalev will be the one who is drained, he couldn't even make weight due to short preparation time and has to fulfill a rehydration clause. And now Alvarez is actually in his prime, he has improved much since the Mayweather fight. The only disadvantage Alvarez has to face is the size difference, but we saw how easily Pacquiao could beat a drained old Oscar despite being smaller.

 

You say that's a completely different story, but Pacquiao Oscar was a completely different story as well because Oscar was moving DOWN an entire weight class from his natural weight. That would be like Kovalev fighting Canelo at 168, which he isn't.

If Kovalev is drained at 175 that's his issue, because that HIS weight class, you can't blame that on Canelo like you can blame Mayweather for making Canelo drained at 152 or Pacquiao for making Oscar drained by forcing him down to 145/147.

The short preparation time for Kovalev is not Canelo's fault, he offered to fight Kovalev before he fought Yarde buy Kovalev chose to fight Yarde first. Many Kovalev fans have argued that the short prepartion time actually benefits Kovalev because 1) that's less time that he has to get older and 2) he won't have time to balloon up in weight between fights.

Now granted Kovalev missed weight on his first attempt but that's completely and totally different than what happened with Pacquiao Oscar or Floyd Canelo. Fighters drain fighters by demanding catchweights or demanding fighters cut weight to reach a weight that's below their natural weight. That's not what's happening here. So stop trying to confuse what happened with Floyd Canelo & Pac Oscar. Those were drainings because fighters were dragged down to weight limits that were well below their natural weight.

 

Kovalev said if there was a division between LHW and cruiser, he would have moved up already. Which means he has trouble making weight lately. As for the Yarde fight, you talk BS once again, it was his mandatory, not a choice. Yarde didn't want to step aside and Kovalev couldn't avoid that fight without losing his title. Alvarez's team insisted that the fight must happen on 2 November, knowing Kovalev only had 6 weeks to train.

 

What a disingenuous argument. You know full well that almost no fighter fights at the same weight on fight night as that which they weighed in at. No LHW is 175 on fight night. Limiting Kovalev's rehydration is exactly the same class of BS as a catchweight is.

The closest fightnight weight to weigh in weight that I can think of in recent memory was Khan's 158 after a 155 weigh in ... for the Canelo fight, obviously.

 

Clenelo's fans are so delusional that defending a mandatory = ducking him in their eyes...

 

Where could Canelo have fought Kovalev at besides 175 though? He didn't demand a catchweight, that should be good enough for you. Kovalev may be having trouble making 175 but that's not Canelo's fault if he's struggling to make 175. And making 175 is one thing, how much he rehydrates to after making that weight is another. He's not known for ballooning up in weight like other fighters, like Jacobs for example.

So you can't accuse Canelo of draining Kovalev since there's no catchweight. His struggles to make 175 are his. Rehydration limits are pretty standard these days, but to be completely honest with you I, like you, would rather there not be one, so people don't have any excuses afterwards. But for you or anyone else to claim that the rehydration clause is draining Kovalev is inaccurate. If Kovalev is drained trying to make 175 then it's because he's growing out of 175 and should be fighting at Cruiserweight or at some catchweight north of 175. That's Kovalev's issue and it's unclear if his struggle to make 175 now has anything to do with how soon it is from his last fight.

Where I differ from you is the assumptions you are making, like your claim that Canelo's team insisted that the fight had to happen on November 2nd so Kovalev won't have ample time to prepare. I mean it seems like whatever Canelo does there's always somebody there to complain about it. If Canelo waited until 2020 to fight Kovalev you'd probably argue that he was trying to age Kovalev another couple of months. If it's too soon then he's not giving him enough time to prepare. It's like Canelo can do no right in your mind. Whatever he does there's always something to complain about.

To your point though I accept that Kovalev may be struggling to make 175. But trying to take that and turn it into blaming Canelo for it is absurd. If Kovalev has problems making 175 that's not his fault, and the rehydration limit has zero to do with him actually making 175 comfortably.

 

Clenbuterol. Twice. Catch weight nonsense. Bribed, bought, corrupt, incompetent decisions in his favor seven times.

https://thegruelingtruth.com/boxing/history-bad-judging-canelo-alvarez/

Canelo goes down in history for what he is... a manufactured champion who was never quite good enough to make it without cheating multiple different ways. Shame.

 

beating a borderline shot fighter who had a short camp because his previous fight was recent. yeah that makes you TBE

 

One thing we know is that there's a lot of excuses when it comes to Canelo. He consistently dares to be great but there's always someone there to nitpick whenever he achieves greatness. Any way you slice it, he is taking a big risk moving up to 175 to fight Kovalev. If he wins this fight it's a tremendous accomplishment. Haterz are gonna hate but the real boxing fans out there know how dangerous this fight is for Canelo.