what makes Canelo so unpopular and hated?

LOL so you're upset at me for responding to your first post before you "clarifed" your remarks in a second post?

 

I have a small hunch that it is.

 

No, LoL

I thought you already read my post of clarification before you responded??

Is that not what took place?

 

Catch weight clauses is what did it for me, he won the MW lineal title from Cotto despite never having fought at 160. That and I find him extremely dull and boring to watch, yes he has a seemingly iron chin, solid power and decent technique but the guy is sooooo slow and one paced.

 

Plus you said I typed ALL the blame, lol

Which I did not so you misquoted me and I called you out on it and then you replied correctly quoting me, and then I simply asked you if you misquoted me, if I’m following this accurately?

 

Yeah he didn't demand anything, Cotto was demanding catchweights of his MW opponents well before he fought Canelo. Canelo simply agreed to another of Cotto's catchweights to make that fight. But I do think there's a correlation to Canelo having catchweights after fighting Floyd at a catchweight. Canelo though didn't want to drain fighters like Floyd did to him, but he didn't mind draining himself to make fights like vs Khan.

You're not considering that that version of Floyd was one of the best versions of Floyd ever. Yes he was 36 but age is just a number. Floyd got himself into incredible shape. He was ripped, he looked nothing like that vs Maidana. So we're talking about one of if not the best versions of Floyd ever. And with the experience and a refined skill set, a well prepared highly motivated Floyd.

 

The honest to God truth is ppl hate Canelo because of his connection to Mayweather before they fought when Canlo turned down Floyd's offer and instead fought Trout on his own card everybody loved him and prised him as the next coming. After he got beat by Floyd the discredit started hoping for him to fail so people could claim he just another hype job.. you can talk about close fights all you want but Lara, GGG, his "close" fights both guys were unbeaten aside from a robbery loss to William's by Lara and both were blowing everybody out and who was the fighter that whether you say they won or loss made them both look ordinary... ppl need to get a grip but haters gonna hate that fighter of the decade award is gonna sting.

 

I really do think a lot of it started when people started to exaggerate how easily Floyd beat him. And the CJ Ross card also was a big part of that view taking shape. I think a lot of the hate was a combination of Floyd fans, and neutrals, exaggerating how wide that Floyd win was and being outraged by the CJ Ross card. That turned into them hating Canelo for some reason even though those things were out of his control.

 

The biggest difference is in their footwork. Canelo's footwork is just good (for this level), while Floyd's footwork was exceptional. Even if you look at punch stats from their fights, Floyd limits his opponents workrate much better than Canelo ever did. And that's despite being much lighter puncher. Floyd's opponents should be less aware of him contering them than Canelo's ones because Canelo hits much harder than Floyd. But Floyd still limits his opponents workrate much more effectively than Canelo does. Why? Because of his exceptional footwork. Floyd's opponents have much harder time finding a position to throw a punch comparing to Canelo's ones

 

I don't disagree that Floyd had exceptional footwork, but Canelo isn't far behind in that department. Look at the footwork he displayed in GGG 1, people were shocked that Canelo showed that kind of footwork.

A lot of Canelo's flat footedness so to speak enables him to use his full body weight to load up on big power shots. Canelo's shown himself to be more versatile as a fighter than Floyd. That doesn't mean he's better it's just that he can fight and find ways to win with different styles. Floyd was a master at using the shoulder roll dipping and ducking down making guys miss, controlling range with his jab, landing a well timed straight right etc. But was Floyd great at landing eye catching hooks or uppercuts?

Canelo doesn't have the reach Floyd has he doesn't have that specific shoulder roll style that Floyd mastered so well. But at the same time he can do things better than Floyd, he's a more dynamic puncher, and frankly in the first GGG fight he showed the ability to get in and out of punching range to set up big shots with the opponent chasing you. He is able to slip punches with quick upper body movement. There's similarities and differences between the two fighters. Floyd was much better at keeping his opponent at range, and just working behind the jab, a more standard traditional style. Canelo can jab but most of the time he doesn't work behind it, he just slips a punch and gets inside to land a hook or two. He did land a couple of good jabs on Kovalev though it's just a different mindset and fighting style. And it's really debatable who is more effective as a boxer. Because again even if you give the nod to Floyd in areas like defense he still loses the power punching comparison. Personally I think that Canelo isn't too far behind in defense, footwork and has way more power and upper body movement than Floyd ever had so it evens out.

 

Surely Canelo hits much harder than Floyd, but punching power isn't a skill - it's a gift of nature. David Tua hit millions times harder than Chris Byrd, but Byrd was much better boxer and beat Tua. And Floyd was more effective boxer than Canelo - he won 100% of his fights and anly 2 of his wins were (somewhat) controversioal - Castillo I and Maidana I fights. Canelo has 1 loss and 2 draws, and more controversial wins than Floyd despite facing much more low-level opponents.

 

Exactly I just want to see a fight without A-side favorable variables. I.g. picking your opponents gloves, ring size, catch weight ,rehydration clause, short notice, etc. I'm not sure if the A side always flexed their muscles to this extent but it's gotten out of hand.

 

Punching power isn't but punching technique is. Canelo has better power punching technique than Floyd, by that I'm mainly talking about hooks and uppercuts. Floyd threw a better straight right hand though. It's that combination of power punching technique / power that Canelo has developed + a high level defense. In terms of ring IQ if Floyd's an A+ Canelo's an A. So you might have top of the line IQ + longer reach / better jab / good straight right vs very high IQ + high level power punching technique. A more extreme comparison is RJJ vs Hopkins. RJJ had superior power punching technique but Hopkins was more fundamentally sound. Both had good defense but Hopkins fought more defensive because he had to, because he didn't have the explosiveness of RJJ. Canelo is way more explosive than Floyd was but Floyd didn't need to be.

 

Watch Canelo-GGG II where Golovkin approved the ref, the judges, and even prevented Canelo from wearing the gloves of his choice.

That's the B side dictating major terms.