Better win: Donaire or Kovalev?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Big Ukrainian, Nov 7, 2019.


Which win is better?

  1. Donaire

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  2. Kovalev

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Nonito had a lot more left than Kovalev did and he was extremely dangerous right up until the end throwing monster left hooks and straight rights with mean intentions. The whole David vs Goliath angle that Golden Bum were pushing about Clenelo jumping up 2 divisions was greatly exaggerated. Sure Kov had a significant height advantage but reach (2'') and weight wise there was **** all in it . Clen jumped up 2 divisions to face a LHW who has been coming in around the SMW fight night weight range of late and that's exactly the same range Clenelo comes in. Kova weighed 180 and 182 respectively for Eleider Alvarez II and Yarde, Clenelo would've weighed about 180. He was still dehydrated at the weigh in after weighing a ripped 175 (or just under). Hence why he was reaching for the liquids lol

    And ''Goliath'' was a shot drunkard with ****ty stamina who isn't hitting anywhere near as hard as he was in his prime and whose chin is cracked. Clenelo has never stopped anyone world class above Clenelo weight and one of those fighters he did stop at Clenelo weight (155) was blown up featherweight Khan lol.

    Nonito was hella dangerous tonight from first bell to last and unlike Kov he isn't a vodka-swilling alcoholic who was 4-3 in his last 7 fights, had been stopped in 2 of those losses by relatively light hitting opponents and who only managed to escape being 3-4 in his last 7 and being stopped x 3 by the skin of his teeth after nearly coming a cropper against a rank novice who had never fought anyone with a pulse before. And Nonito wasn't coming off a gruelling fight 9 weeks earlier where he took a lot of punishment and only had a few weeks to rest in between it and starting his next camp.

    Kovalev used to be one of the most feared and destructive punchers in the entire sport FFS and rightfully so because he was a freaking beast. But this version had only managed to hurt or drop 1 opponent in his last six fights as a result of his power and said fighter has glassy whiskers. The Yarde KO was due to exhaustion.

    Prime Kov hurt, badly hurt, dropped, or brutally stopped virtually everyone who shared a ring with him including some of the most iron-jawed fighters in the game. It's hardly a coincidence all his opponents back then spoke very highly indeed about his power and the ones of today don't seem too impressed by it. He was dropping, knocking out, and breaking his opponent's ribs with jabs FFS

    The difference between prime Kovalev and the shell of the one today is night and day and best believe Team Clenelo were aware of that as were the bookies lol

    I knew Clenelo was not only going to stop Kov late but that he was going to finish him with a head shot too albeit I thought it was going to be from a left hook to the chin. Hence why I picked him via stoppage.

    When the fight was announced I was just pleased for Kov that he was going to finally secure a payday that his talent deserved. However, the only time I actually entertained the thought of him winning was during the fight itself as he was well up on my scorecard heading into the second half of it. But I predicted he'd gas in the second half (hardly a Nostradamus level call there lol) during the RBR and sure enough he did and it cost him dearly.

    My boy Dre be knowing what time it is

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  2. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Yes, times change. It's why Donaire has been viewed as shot by most and faded by the rest for the last 5+ years. Same can't be said of Kovalev. You can't change history.

    Yarde was a top 10 ranked opponent.

    Who was the last top 10 ranked opponent Donaire beat beyond Burnett?

    If you didn't ride with Donaire from '07-14, then that is your problem. But no need to pretend about anything since that time.
     
  3. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have picked Canelo to KO Kovalev from round 7 to round 11, and I can give you a link to my post with prediction for this fight. Both Andre Ward and Abel Sanchez predicted Canelo's KO win over Kovalev too

    I didn't make any picks for Inoue vs Donaire, although I expected Inoue to win
     
  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Come on man, you know better than seeming to be locked into a mentality that "becoming shot" is a linear one-way street. Fighters, at least a special few, can experience late career renaissances after they have been written off. Donaire would certainly not be the first to return to world class form (if not quite his prime stuff) after having slumped badly for a while. Morales springs to mind, along with plenty more.

    Kovalev, on the other hand, is more the straight-up declining type...it has been a long, clumsy tumble from grace. Yeah, he beat Storm in the rematch and then out-slugged Yarde, but the younger Kovalev would murder that Kovalev. Crafty old Donaire of 2019 with his wealth of accumulated ring IQ might actually outbox the version of himself that landed that famous check hook on Darchinyan. (leaving aside the problem of them being at different weights)
     
  5. Serge

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    Nathan Cleverly

    ''Kovalev is a massive puncher; each punch is like being hit by a sledgehammer,'' Cleverly said. ''He sparked Ismayl Sillah clean out in the second round '' he was completely gone. He didn't do that to me, he shook me up and I was in no position to continue really, I was drunk from the punches and I have got a great chin, so he does hit hard and he's probably the most dangerous Light Heavyweight out there.''

    Were you surprised by how hard he hit?

    I suppose I wasn't surprised because with his record it was inevitable that he was a banger and every shot he threw was a thudding shot. It was like a hammer. He wasn't rapid fast, he had good timing, good distance and his punches were just so hard... His jab, his right hand. Just when he caught you on the shoulder he would have an impact and he was just clubbing me. He just clubs you with his heavy hands and he's the type to just club you into submission. That's his aim. To club you until he puts you down. I just kept it tight early but I knew, after taking a few of his punches, I knew I couldn't afford to be caught with a shot on the chin. I knew that. I remember thinking in the first round, if he catches me clean, I'm gone. I remember thinking that.

    Yeah. I did think I would be able to take it but I knew, I knew and especially from the first round '' I knew if he caught me clean it was highly likely I would go. Even the shots on the gloves and the shoulder, the impact was really heavy. It was clear to me from the first couple of punches that when this guy landed I would be in trouble.

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    ''Kovalev is an animal of a puncher''

    -- Nathan Cleverly

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    Darnell Boone

    'KOD: Who is the hardest puncher that you have fought?

    Darnell Boone: The hardest puncher was [Sergey] Kovalev. He knows exactly how to use his height and leverage with punches. He keeps you on the outside, away from getting on the inside on him. He fights tall.

    Cornelius White

    ''His power is unreal,'' White said of Kovalev. ''I've never felt that power before. I've fought heavyweights, cruiserweights and I've never felt that before. And they weren't bricks. It was steel.''

    Interview with former Kovalev victim Lionell Thompson. Thompson has sparred against a who's who of the LHW and SMW divisions: Dawson, Bute, Froch, Pascal Troy Ross, David Lemieux and numerous others too. He said every shot he throws is heavy, even the ones on the arms and gloves hurt and that no one hits like Kovalev.

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    ''I ain't ever been hit that hard. When he hit me it felt like somebody lifted the soul out of my body.''

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    Earl Newman

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    Pascal on Kovalev, Beterbiev, and Bivol

    'Pascal is very familiar with all three of the Russian boxers.

    He suffered two defeats at the hands of Kovalev, he used Bivol as a sparring partner, and Beterbiev was his stablemate in the gym.

    While he believes Beterbiev is the best fighter of the three, he says Kovalev is the hardest puncher of the three. 2018 will be interested year to watch, if all three Russian punchers will begin to face each other in unification bouts.

    "Bivol was my training partner for my second fight against Kovalev. Who has the style that was more complicated for me, it was Kovalev. The best of the three? It's Beterbiev. On the other hand, the one that hits the hardest, it is Kovalev," Pascal told The Montreal Journal.
     
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  6. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    As IB said. It's down the simple standard as being as good as your recent fights. in 2019 Donaire is CLEARLY the better fighter and thus better win. It's not hard to compute. Yarde is ****ing trash. Lets put rankings to the side. He's never beaten even a top 20-30 LHW in all actuality. Burnett and Stephon Young even are far better fighters than Yarde. Do you see the Bantamweight equivalent of Yarde(if there even is one) being competitive with Donaire nevermind nearly stopping him? Kovalev also looked awful against Clenelo. Not committing to any shots and fighting like a complete amateur(literally) that was a sad day and predictable day for boxing. Vegas soap opera.
     
  7. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    You are not wrong but I feel you're strongly reaching here... 2019 Donaire is left shaking on the canvas by 2011 Donaire.
     
  8. The Akbar One

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    Donaire is more physically dangerous, and more capable at this point, but Kovalev has the better recent resume with real wins over Alvarez and Yarde, while Donaire won by Burnett quitting, and then KOing some scrub from Ohio.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

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    Storm is a one trick pony and probably won't ever notch a win as good as Kovalev I ever again. He is talented, but has sort of lapsed into that monotone of complacency that some fighters get stuck in where most of his matches resemble sparring.

    Yarde is GARBAGE. Just like @UnleashtheFURY said, even Stephon Young is better than him p4p.

    ...and the injury aside, Donaire fought like a demon against Burnett. That wasn't the same Donaire that failed upwards against Vetyeka.
     
  10. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Yarde isn't any better than Young, he's trash. Young had actually competed with some world level guys before fighting Donaire. Yarde feasted on SMWs and cabdrivers.
     
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  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yeah, now that you mention it, '11 Donaire would have put the screws to him and made current Donaire face the choice of going out on his shield (which he would) or pull a Narváez and run (which he's too proud to).
     
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  12. Babality

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    Kovalev should have been the better win. Canelo went up two divisions to fight him. Kovalev is closer to his prime than Donaire is, at least time wise, as in how long ago were they prime. But performance wise, Kovalev was absolute garbage, almost looked like the fight was fixed, yet he still troubled Canelo (no idea why as he only threw pitty patter).

    So, on paper, Kovalev, performance wise, Donaire.
     
  13. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Not sure how predictable it was as over half the forum picked Kovalev to win.

    Kovalev just picked up one of his three best career victories earlier this year in dominant form. How do people choose not to remember that, I don't know. Also don't understand the narrative being driven by the usual suspects that Kovalev looked so dreadful against Yarde. He won almost every round en route to stopping him. Have you any idea how many examples there are of Donaire being severely off-form and past his best? The difference is that Donaire's examples would date all the way back to 2014.
     
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  14. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    "The jab beats Canelo!"
    "Just stick to his great jab all night and it will be easy work!"
    "The jab will keep Canelo from countering and getting inside and will be key to Kovalev winning!"

    [fast forward to after the fight, those same posters]

    "It was fixed, all he did was jab!"
    "What was he thinking winning rounds doing nothing but jabbing?!"
    "He didn't even try to win!"

    Par for the course...
     
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  15. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Clenelo was the heavy favorite, most pundits and boxers picked him as well. Fight went exactly the way I said it would. With Clenelo coasting and stopping Kovalev late. It was an incredibly predictable result.... Again. Yarde is ****ing trash. Kovalev anywhere near his best would have stopped this bum early. Not labor with him for almost 11 rounds and nearly getting taken out in the process. What about that is difficult to comprehend? Kovalev is done. That's why GBP cherrypicked him.