Can a extremely strong powerlifter be a hard Puncher if he learned proper technique ?

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  1. WillieWild

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    Would like to know if the powerlifters have potential to be knockout artists since they are extremely strong.
     
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    Anybody can be a powerlifter if they train hard enough.

    You cant train yourself to be a power puncher. Pauli Malinaggi cant train himself to punch hard like felix trinidad.

    Powerlifting is as all about lifting heavy weights and getting strong. That doesn't translate to punching power. Punching power is derived from speed and mass, including everything from individual muscle fiber to bone density. Your mostly born with these traits so you can only marginally improve what you already have, and most fighters can really only improve speed, not the power behind it. Though keep in mind even speed is mostly genetically determined as well, most fighters cant train themselves to have fast twitch muscle fibers and reflexes on the level of a Pacquiao or prime Roy Jones.

    Also, speed alone is why powerlifters won't punch hard. They're used to lifting very heavy weights slowly for one rep or 5 rep max, thus muscle movement will be drastically slow compared to pure boxers. They probably cant even use their strength to push you around the ring. Just look at McGregor who is very strong but Mayweather pushed him back like a ragdoll.
     
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    Explosiveness is key to generating power, which requires fast twitch muscles. Many powerlifter do things to shorten the range of motion as much as possible and also lift slowly. I've seen the powerlifter squad walk around in the lifting gym I go to and they all waddle around like penguins.

    Strength does help transfer force with stiff punches but it means nothing when you don't have snap and can't generate the force.

    I bench press for speed and explosiveness, and I use a close grip to maximize my range of motion. A few months ago I hit 395 close grip and possibly able to do 405 before I injured my rotator cuff a few weeks later. Since I focus a lot on speed work and Shadow boxing my speed didn't suffer. The strength increase from lifting heavy allowed me to transfer the force better, but it didn't increase my snap.
     
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    You don’t need great speed to punch hard like people keep saying. Alfredo Angulo in his prime was one of the hardest punchers in boxing and also one of the slowest.
     
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    I'd be more interested in how hard a top level shot-putter or MLB player punches instead.
     
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    That an alt of yours Mark? :lol: Seems like the kind of thread you'd make.
     
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    You could spot the autism from a mile away.
     
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    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Why wouldn't they?
     
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    I used to do competitive powerlifting, and I have to say that powerlifting is all about genetics. Some people are never going to be able to squat 600 lbs no matter how hard they train, while others can hit 600 with less than a year of training. It’s just as genetic as punching power is. You are correct that it doesn’t translate very well to punching though. I doubt a 300 lb champion powerlifter could punch any harder than your average 300 lb fat guy.
     
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    Flexibility is important, if you got tight muscles from all that powerlifting you aint going tk generate a fluid punching motion the fist needs to fly smoothly through the air without being held back by tight bulky muscle
     
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    Fast twitch muscle fibers are largely used when powerlifting, they are your (power muscles). They are responsible for your speed and power. But just because you can lift a lot, it doesnt mean you can generate a good punch, but it can help.
     
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    Exactly! George Foreman.
     
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    And some guys who are extremely fast can't hit that hard. Chris Byrd, for example.
     
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