The time is early 1969, there has been no forced layoff Ali has now been champion for 5 years he’s just turned 27yrs of age. It’s around 2 years since the demolition of Cleveland Williams and we are around 2 years away from the first Frazier fight. Against Chuvalo in 66 he weighed 215lbs, against Williams around 212lbs, against Ellis in 71 he weighed 221lbs, and still showed quite good speed against a fighter 25lbs lighter, so we now have a fighter with no inactivity still very young who could weigh between 218-221lbs but carrying similar speed to the 212-215 1966 ali. This fighter still has the sharp reflexes of two years ago (1966) and has as much stamina if not more than the 25 year old version, but with the confidence of a 5 year reigning champ, is this guy the H2H monster? (BOUT1. ) Frazier, joe struggles here he doesn’t have the advantage of a rusty inactive 4 year out of the ring Ali, who’s reflexes have dulled with age and his speed has lost a step, making it hard for him to take advantage of Alis poor conditioning/stamina and come on strong in the second half of the fight Ali points win. ( BOUT 2 ) Liston, even a prime Liston struggles with the same problems too much speed from an heavier even more confident incarnation of Ali TKO. ( BOUT 3, ) foreman, Ali beat this guy way past his best, I think Ali tires him out and frustrates him in a different way by foreman chasing him more and missing with punches. similar ending to the actual fight Ali wins by KO. ( BOUT 4 ) Holmes, Ali did most things as good if not better, than Holmes, speed is the factor in this fight Ali wins UD . (BOUT 5 ) Wlad, way too much lateral movement for this guy, Wlad trying to clinch this version of Ali will be very tough at the speeds he will be fighting. Wlad loses stamina later in the fight plus Wlad has a glass jaw. Ali empties his tank and stops him TKO late rounds. (BOUT 6) Vitali, similar fight to Wlad still too slow no difference in reach both 79 inches, I see Ali beating Vitali too the punch all night, his jaw is better than Wlad so it either has to be stopped or vitali might even quit Byrd style. (BOUT 7) Louis, this version of Ali is way too fast for Louis with hand and foot , as great as Louis was UD win Ali. (BOUT 8 ) Marciano, I see this fight similar to the Frazier assessment Ali will be way too fast to be be cornered for significant periods of the fight, like I said this is not a 4 year inactive reflexes dulled, lower stamina Ali it ends by TKO or UD. For Ali (BOUT 9,) mike Tyson, mike had great hand speed, but Ali had comparable hand speed and much faster foot speed. I see Ali weathering the early onslaught. Then timing mikes system based windscreen wash side to side defence in a couple of rounds, and especially when mike slows down Ali will be finding the target much easier TKO Ali. (BOUT 10) Lewis, this fight will be won on the thing most of these fights relied on speed Lewis could gass when pressure was applied if Lennox comes in too heavy then UD Ali if he comes in at a good weight 235-238 I see a closer fight but still a points win for Ali. H2H MONSTER.
11. Vegeta ssj4, ali is too fast and has good movement and Vegeta has a tendency to gas in the later rounds. Ali stoppage in the 4th 12. Nazi Germany, Nazi Germany trying their Blitzkrieg tactic but Ali‘s Chin hold it up and he takes it from round 6 onwards. Tough one but Ali tko in round 15 13. Jesus Christ. Very tough match for both, both have extrem Hand speed, good chins an great movement. Ali lands on Jesus flush in the 3 but he gets resurrected just before the count hits ten, Ali still keeps a high pace and wins a UD beat it kid
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You think 6ft 2" 15 stone regarded as a relatively light puncher is going to pressure a 17stone plus 6ft 5" monster puncher with more natural strength than him ??? There are loads of fighters that can beat Ali prime, im just naming one that i'd put the house on beating him. Wlad and Ali loved to clinch, and you think Ali is the man here ??
Ali didn’t clinch that much early on in his career and certainly in this senario 6ft 2 over hill Holyfield gave Lennox problems with out the foot and hand speed of Ali don’t make me laugh. and Wlad as been decimated by Ali size fighters with no where near Ali’s attributes you are falling short of a convincing argument my statement still stand you haven’t convinced me, sorry. Lol
I couldn't read all that, maybe try to break it down into paragraphs? Nevertheless, I can say that Muhammad Ali is thee greatest boxer and sportsman of all time. Rest in peace champ.
The incarnation I put forward would eek out the victory against the 71 Frazier is fought in early 69 by having more success in the second half of the fight for reasons put forward but that’s just my opinion of course.
That was a hard read. A prime Tyson would have taken his head off. However I've always thought Ali Vs holyfield would have been an absolute classic. Similar size, both outstanding chins and heart. Both exceptional boxers in their own right. I couldn't call that one.
Yeah should have spaced it better, I think the best Ali reads Tyson’s manufactured system based moves easy, and has the speed to implement the game plan and take advantage like Douglas did unlike many Tyson victims, factor in the weak mind of mike and Ali’s chin and guile. I understand that wasn’t the best Tyson but the best Tyson never met an Ali only a poor mans version in Douglas.
Holyfield could very well outpoint Ali, quite similar to Norton but a better fighter imo..Ali couldn't punch anywhere near as hard as Sanders and Brewster either. Have you ever heard of styles make fights ?? Ali couldn't clinch a bigger stronger man in Wlad and lean on him, it just isn't happening, he comes off worse trying to sap his energy, and Lewis just completely wrong for Ali, to strong full stop.
Every great loses multiple times if they fought every other great throughout history in some sort of time machine. There is no ultimate.
Yes I have, and just because Ali can’t punch harder than those two fighters doesn’t mean he wouldn’t wear him down, like I said earlier he wouldn’t have to clinch with Wlad all night just on odd occasions he would move side to side in and out put punches together and wear him out empty his gas tank. As far as holy is concerned I agree Norton could be similar, the point you are missing though is Ali didn’t fight Norton till his 43rd fight and four years away from this senario and still beat and held his own, so this speedy young totally prime version would easily outpoint Norton and Holyfield easy.
