Remember Ortiz is a counter puncher, and they do better in rematches.

The point was ,you being dumb?

 

The point is Wallin is a tough fighter with a nice motor, but he's beat absolutely no one. If you can't tell Ortiz is far technically superior and has far more power, you should pick another sport. I suggest something simple like bowling .

 

Well if we went on individual pics you would be gone here.....

But once again you aren't really that smart on here,i don't think many take you seriously c they lose money and in the process you ignored any detail why Ortiz walks threw Wallin bc no fight exists . You are just dope the forum is second to others bc it has dumb ppl running it and pats themselves on the back ???? . lmao

 

ELLEBER is that you turning to hype this farce of a fight up??? HEY AL HAYMON??? Maybe it’s you?

 

People are rating Ortiz on old performances when he was most likely roiding. His power didn't look great versus Hammer or even Wilder, where he landed a lot of flush shots after hurting Wilder and couldn't even drop him. Few would think Joshua or Wlad wouldn't have dropped or KO'd Wilder(or any HW) with that many clean shots. The idea that his power is naturally exceptional at this stage of deterioration and lack of PEDs probably needs to be reconsidered. If he KO's Wilder then maybe not, but I'm not a believer right now.

As for Ortiz/Wallin ... Ortiz doesn't have an impressive record, his reputation is based on what he MIGHT have done, then beating a few older contenders. At the moment he has beaten better people than Wallin has, but Wallin is far younger. Ortiz has also beaten better people than all young prospects. It doesn't mean inexperienced fighters can't be better than him as of now or end up better fighters in the end. At this point it is reasonable to suggest Wallin is a tougher opponent simply due to the fact that along with his performance against Fury, he is in his prime and doesn't gas after six rounds. Wallin will be tested in the coming years and it will show how good or bad the Fury win was. It'll be interesting to see what Wallin does, let's wait and see.

 

Who has Ortiz beaten to prove he's this beast?

 

You just went full ****** over there. What are you even saying? Individual pics? Go back to playing with your transformer toys you still live with your parents you sad little child.

In terms of skill, Wallin couldn't even lace Ortiz's boots and Wilder would knock him out cold. The dude has literally beat no one, he gave Fury a tough bout in which Fury probably did not get up for at all. I mean the dude is fighting complete no one's, you can't completely blame him for not being 100% motivated, but it doesn't actually mean Wallin is that good. Now find another sport, boxing isn't for you.

 

I see it going pretty much the same way the first one did just ending a bit sooner, Ortiz troubles Wilder and might even hurt/drop Wilder early on but Wilder gets the job done some point around the middle of the fight.

 

if this is any indication of what hes bringing to the ring, hes getting iced early. the guy is slow as a statue and got no timing. if anyones seen a recent vid of him looking better, lets see it.

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Seemed to me like he "led" quite a bit first go around. More than I had expected.

 

Boxers don't age like wine. More like milk.

Clone Ortiz a 35 year old version of himself and he could clean out Wilder.

But he's more like 46, and I just can't see it happening.

This is a payday before retirement. And fair play to him to be honest.

 

In most rematches, a lot of fighters don't show the same punch ressistance. Stiverne showed a solid chin in the first fight, he couldn't survive the first round in the rematch

 

I suspect Ortiz is there to pick up a payday. He's not young and hungry. He doesn't believe he can win. He knows Wilder can hurt him. Wilder knows he can hurt him. Wilder will stop him quicker than last time.

 

Ortiz best win was over 4 years ago,you dope so no ...you cannot say Ortiz walks through anyone that has shown ability to damage a guy like Fury , Ortiz couldn't even walk through Hammer who has below sub par skills and gets wins over Mike Wallisch the worst boxer ive seen in a some time so get off the drugs !

A bloodied up Ortiz getting a UD his last fight MONTHS ago ( adding to his already increased age ) doesn't walk through a Wallin type guy but you the JOKER don't understand boxing fully so you DONT get it. .

IF he defeats Wilder it will bc the southpaw angle and Wilders poor ability to box on the move ,its really that simple.

Boxing not for me ? I'd box your ears off and send your head in the second to 3rd row, in FACT you using the name ELLERBE says it all whos also a fool and CON man .....lol

 

The only reason Ortiz is being sold short is because Wilder was able to survive Ortiz's onslaught and put him away.
Whyte avoiding Ortiz for a guaranteed title shot says all you need to know.