Wilder v Fury II

I really don't care Tony. Fury's made enough money to live ten lives so all I care about is him winning and moving onto the next one.

Again, who cares what fights did more buys than Fury/Wilder 1? You said it did very average business, I pointed out that it generated more money than 9/10 sky ppv's that you oh so cherish.

It's different strokes for different folks with you Tony and it's beyond old at this stage.

 

The conversation is about whether the fight is in Saudi Arabia or not.

The reasons why it would be in Saudi would be based on the money they could chuck at it. The reasons why it would be in the US would also be financial. The reality is that neither Wilder or (particularly) Fury have demonstrated any particular ability to generate the sort of money that (we assume) Saudi Arabia could put up.

You seem to be under some sort of perennial impression that next time is the big time for Wilder Fury. I don't see it. They want American PPV's? Doesn't everyone, but surely at some point the realisation dawns that it probably won't happen in any major way. I doubt Wilder will be fighting for that much longer anyway. 42 fights, 34 years old. Not like he's got time on his side and he's still not really become anything resembling a PPV attraction in America.

 

I’m not going to waste any time considering that business was actually decent. It wasn’t.

Tony serious question
If the backers behind it dont consider it was decent business, then why are they intent on staging a rematch?

If a movie does poor at the box office its rare it gets a sequel

They seemed happy with it

 

The Saudis could easy take this if they really want it however
Money in the bank or risk a buy rate saving it
The former takes it all day

 

I've stated I don't believe the rematch will be in Saudi Arabia and I've given my reasons why.

We know you don't see the rematch doing well. You don't see anything involving Tyson Fury doing well. You're incapable. You've stated this every day you've been on this forum. Why bother telling us again?

I believe the rematch will do good business. The first fight generated over 25 million dollars and I think the rematch will do more than that.

End of story. What more is to be said that you haven't already said a million times?

 

They are hugely investing in sporting events. They are trying for F1 and they've done a European golf tour earlier this year. I am guessing this will be the first of many builds, but this one is not a football or athletics stadium with a boxing ring plonked in the middle which no one can see.

 

Paris Fury let slip in an interview yesterday that the fight is in Vegas.

 

This fight seems to be absolutely full of weird quirks. I mean, a venue agreed whilst one of the individuals involved still has a fight to have before this one could happen? With no date confirmed either? What if Wilder gets a Fury type cut? 'Vegas' just goes on hold again for a few months?

I don't know. It feels like some are seeing this as being a lot more of a done deal than I think it is at this stage. I also can't think of a comparative example where some (you included of course) are so convinced that the rematch makes everyone involved very rich, which in turn has so many obstacles put in the way by the individuals involved themselves. What if Wilder loses this weekend? It has the feel of Lewis Tyson being agreed, but first Lennox is going to have a fight with John Ruiz. Why?

I think it will happen, but there's way more to this weird year than Wilder and Fury deciding to 'maximise the potential' or 'build their profiles.' I wonder if someone, truth be told, isn't that keen.

 

I think if Wilder wins there is more chance he faces Ruiz next than Fury.

 

Well lets wait and see Tony and not stress ourselves out too much, ey?

 

But surely you acknowledge this is a strange, possibly unique situation.

You’ve said for some time now that a contract has been signed for Wilder Fury II. (And III I believe.) We now know (thanks to a slip up from Fury’s wife) that a location has been agreed as well. And you are very clear that the rematch will do very big numbers.

So why put it at risk? That makes absolutely no sense. There have been fights before whereby they are likely to happen on the proviso of the boxers winning another bout; I’m thinking De La Hoya Hopkins here on the proviso Oscar beat Felix Sturm. But there is surely no point whatsoever in Wilder risking his title against a guy he’s already beaten before having the Fury fight.

 

Obviously on the proviso of Ruiz winning, but I agree. Easiest chance anyone ever gets to being undisputed. American v Mexican American. Would be way bigger than boring old Tyson and his pretend lineal title that literally nobody cares about. Wilder would be insane not to go that route.

 

Decapating a journalist really does cost a lot of money to buy back some good PR

 

Would an undisputed unification bout still take precedence over the IBF and WBO mandatories? As I honestly believe that Wilder’s team will go for the Ruiz fight if he upsets AJ again. And in all honesty, despite his inevitable protests it’ll suit Fury down to the ground. He can continue to feast on a soft diet and make money whilst the best fight each other, Fury can then potentially seal his legacy (either way) in just one fight.

 

I haven't thought that much about it. As I've said so many times, Bob Arum explained his plans from the start.

I believe Wilder is fighting Ortiz because he wants to keep improving. Ortiz was one of his most difficult fights. If he comes through this one easier than the first it puts him in a good mindset for the Fury rematch. It's a risk but I don't think Wilder has any fear of taking risks these days.