Upon review, Deontay is the HARDEST PUNCHER EVER

Well, Fury aside, he's pretty much fought nobodies.

Out of his 40 odd fights how many were even elite level, or even solid world class?

The fact is, in my opinion, anybody with such a padded record is always going to have trouble claiming greatness.

Compare AJ, who, in half as many fights as Wilder, took on Klitschko, Parker, Povetkin, Takam, Whyte, and others, including facing Breazeale much earlier in his career than Wilder did, and he beat them all; plus, he was going to face Miller, who was going to be another test, but ended up facing Ruiz and then immediately took the rematch after losing.

Say you what you want about Joshua, and I'm not a big fan, but that's a record i can respect.

Wilder, not so much.

 

AJ's win over a 40 year old Vlad ain't one I'd bragg about, especially since he came a hair of being ko'ed by him. I think Wilder torches all the guys you mentioned . If Ruiz wins I want him to fight Wilder, I'd make Wilder the favorite in that too.

 

That's not the point. The point is Wilder hasn't got 3 meaningful wins in 40+ fights.
Also what's Wilder done to torch Povetkin, Whyte, Ruiz or Parker? I'd make him slight favourite over all, but that's only small amount.

 

Why did he run like a little b from prime Povetkin? Povetkin subsequently CLEARED of any wrong doing.

 

Reinhardt...the point is if Wilder is the hardest puncher that ever lived. Not just the quality of opposition. If one takes the position that Marciano did not have good opposition...he still ko'd a bunch of them. As has Wilder. Truth is it is not possible to determine such a thing. Subjectivity will seep in. Case in point...even in making the statement I am aware that I favor the type fighter Marciano was. Can't avoid subjectivity.

 

Well his defense is his offense. Eventually they get knocked out. The heavyweights are not too great, so that flaw will not come out for a while. Who is really that great at heavyweight?

 

Whereas Wilder completely avoided Klitschko.

Besides, Joshua still won the fight.

Again, it's not so much how good those guys are, it's that they were ranked highly and AJ fought them; despite having relatively few fights.

Wilder, by contrast, has practically double the fights and 95% of them were a joke.

He has managed to avoid fighting top guys, and only took Fury because he thought it was a dribbling mess that would be opposite him.

Fury basically gave him a boxing lesson, and had to settle for a draw because Wilder put him down twice.

Say Wilder wins the rounds with the two knock downs; he still lost the other 10...and that's a draw!!!!

That fight was a Fury win, and it receives nowhere near the focus dodgy Canelo fights do months later.

I'll say it, the Americans robbed Fury that night...and what's more, Wilder knows he was gifted a draw by a corrupted set of officials who were never going to allow Wilder to lose as long as he actually threw some punches and avoided multiple knock downs.

Wilder knows he was comprehensively out-boxed and out-thought, and his supposedly awesome, legendary power wasn't even close to being enough as Fury got up twice, and was perfectly lucid and focused within seconds of the knock down.

Believe me, you get hit hard enough the world disappears for several seconds, then you come round suddenly not knowing where you are, likely with no sensation of sound, by which time the 10 count has been and gone, and it can take a while to shake that foggy, slightly confused feeling...and that's not even a full blooded k.o, and that is what you'd assume happened to Fury.

I liken it to the feeling you get if you stand up too quick.

I've blacked out for a few seconds before getting up too quick from being seated.

As i stood my legs gave way, everything went black, and I came round on my bed

Being cracked on the temple or jaw can be like that.

But, he, Fury, showed none of those symptoms and took it pretty well.

In short, he wasn't hurt at all.

So, either Wilder truly is the awesome, powerful puncher, the beast, that you claim he is, and Fury has unimaginable powers of recovery and a skull made of cast iron...or, Wilder doesn't really hit that hard and Fury, who isn't especially iron chinned, took it flush and got up pretty quickly with no ill effects.

Which is it?

It has to be one or the other...no alternative is possible.

 

you can't be that myopic to reason wilders power away like that.

his record speaks for itself. two seemingly flush shots (in reality both shots that put him down weren't full impact because fury rolled the first and was already falling back on the second) not fazing one of his opponents out of his 40+ fights won largely by brutal one punch KO's doesn't change anything. consider that Fury's never been badly rocked in any of his bouts. so maybe it is both? fury's recovery abilities are that impressive and wilder is that powerful.

 

You say his "record speaks for itself".

I couldn't agree more.

 

Prime Povetkin? what's there to be scared of?

 

Ask Wilder.

 

I agree about meaningful fights,,,,but! Povetkin,Whyte, Ruiz or Parker ain't what I'd call a murderers row. A list of a B fighters at their best.

 

I agree but they are next to Wilder's list.

Also, you mentioned not giving much credit to Joshua for the Klitschko coz he was a punch away from losing, but wouldn't that work for Wilder vs Ortiz? If so, we're really playing fast and loose with the word 'list' for Wilder

 

DW obviously has some freakish power for the simple fact that he is an average skill boxer and even below average in some areas like footwork yet he has managed to become an undefeated world champion. I truly believe that DW could've been champion in any era because of that power. Not saying he would be champion but he'd be a threat because of that power and size.
If DW had the boxing skills of Tyson Fury it wouldn't even be fair because there would be no chance to beat him and we`d probably be saying he was the GOAT by now.

 

Doesn't matter. Those guys are dangerous heavyweights who can punch and have skill. If they fought in the 90s you would know their names. Lets not act like every era before this one was just filled with a stacked heavyweight division.