Monzon on Netflix.

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  1. crixus85

    crixus85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Having watched it all, and allowing for dramatic licence, it appeared to fill in a lot I didn't know about.
    I never knew about him having to get injections because of malnutrition , particularly to his right hand.
    The brief scene with Galindez made me wonder why a super fight was never offered to Monzon at Luna Park, as far as I know.
     
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    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    I read as far back in 1976, they were both asked, both refused, because they both felt that mutual friendship, and respect were more important than money. It was like Joe Frazier refusing to fight his sparring partner, Ken Norton, both felt the same. Carlos and Victor were icons in their country of Argentina at that time.
     
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    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    I just finished the episode where he won the title. What I didnt like about this episode is they had Nino beating the crap out of him when according to the SI article I read Nino was never really in the fight at all and they also seemed to exaggerate his hand issues here. I'll keep watching until the end though.
     
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    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    It's a pretty good show. Well done. I on about episode 7 or 8. The actress who plays Susana Giminez is gorgeous.
     
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    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    I haven't got to the end of the show yet. I'm about half way through. I don't know if he was evil or perhaps a sick man that needed to get help but didn't get it. A women died. Damn you know some people are black out drinkers. The show is touching on that all the way through. He buys a new car and wrecks it passed out on the side of the road.
    Ego or pride or whatever didn't allow him to seek the help he needed. Maybe he didn't have anyone around to tell him no. That is never healthy.
     
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    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Fair enough. I certainly wasn't the only poster taken back by your analogy. For the record I posted nothing negative about Monzon ( nobody had) and I was looking forward to the show.
     
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    Unless I missed it there was nothing about Monzon's first wife shooting him. Think that would have been worth putting in there.
     
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  8. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No. Historically is bad. (not talking about the murder that may be actually factually acurate) I am not the one saying it, but the people that knew Monzon personally say so (okay, they may be biased) but I´m going for the things that no bias is going to play a part of; not about the murder...

    For example, they paint Locche as this douchebag that was unfriendly with Monzon which was never the case, they were friends from the get go and Monzon even traveled with Locche around all the time;
    For some reason they don´t exploit the bad blood that Monzon and Bonavena had. They even were about to brawl in the street in Mexico when both faced each other in a restaurant before the Jose Napoles vs (forgot the name of the guy, an argentinian the lost to Napoles by TKO in 5 or 6 rounds), Bonavena was awaiting for Monzon in the parking lot, Monzon used to say Bonavena owned him money... there was politics too in the bad blood they had because Bonavena was antiperonista and Monzon was a peronista. I don´t know if Ringo really did owe Monzon money, they were never friends so I don´t know how Monzon would have borrowed Ringo some money, it does seem that Monzon had some problem with Ringo making more money than him,...

    They portray Tito Lecture as this guy that was bullied by Brusa and this was not reality by any strech of the imagination, Brusa had no power in nothing, by the way.. well.... Brusa was... one of the good trainers, there were many like him, if he didn´t play by Tito´s rules he would go ! He is criticized by many fighters btw (Brusa, I mean, Rafael Pineda for example..) Tito Lecture commanded everyone, he ordered what to do, not Brusa.. Brusa had no power in nothing. (I am not saying Brusa wasn´t a great trainer, but there was other great coaches around and Tito Lecture was the boss in that team, always)

    The effort the series make in making Monzon look like this wild boozer sex machine is cringe too....... yes he smoked.... like 100% of the men at that time, but it goes beyond what the real Monzon was, a simple country guy from Santa Fe that liekd to fish and hunt. He didn´t blend well in ****ing France among all that glamour and strange people and ****, he was what americans call a redneck. He was not Max Baer or Jack Nicholson... he would rather listen to chamamé than rock and roll music... he would rather go to a farm than a night club.
    He was from Santa Fé which is the argentine equivalent of Alabama or Arkansas.

    There is a good scene in the prison where the prison thug comes to Monzon and says "hey you are like me from Santa Fe, we don´t like this nonsense, we enjoy to fish in the woods" that was Monzon´s spirit.
    What I am saying is not me saying, is what I learned reading what people that actually knew Monzon said. (like Cherquis Bialo, a legendary argentine journalist that personally knew Monzon)
     
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  9. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Great fighter…. Terrible human being
     
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