Liston vs Frazier

I think it was a dive, and the way he tried to get up then went back down is hilarious bad, everyone should see that fight for what it was, a sham !

 

Agreed.

 

He didn't get hospitalized for swollen eyes he got put there for nearly 3 weeks from the punishment he took.
I'd say I know a little more about blood pressure than you.My partner is constantly on Ramipril and Bisoprolol to lower hers after a heart attack 3 years ago.
Frazier's blood pressure was taken at the prefight physical on the Wednesday, the week of the fight it was normal. Want to know what he had as his pre-fight meal? Broiled steak,,rare ,green vegetables.and hot tea.
You really need to get up to speed fella ,because you are full of misinformation and, if you believe anything the proven liar Mendoza says, you are even more gullible than I thought!.

ps I'ts knob and senile [no c] lol

 

Bloody hell mate, something else that your a expert on, **** me lol.

 

No expert but a little more informed than yourself on the subjects we have crossed swords on!
I don't need to **** you mate ,you've ****ed yourself!LOL

 

You idiot, I have high blood pressure, most my family have, and you go off an a wild tangent thinking HBP is something personal to you lol, without considering that a high% of people your interacting with on here could have it, not their wives THEM..Your an older fella quite obviously with your ignorance on matters

 

I think Sonny would have to have consciously thrown himself down for it to really qualify as a dive. The problem is, it was a legitimate flash knockdown. The punch lands sweet and the reaction is consistent with the correct response dropping from a flash knockdown.

What are the chances Ali scores a knockdown like that on a night Sonny intended to dive?

I mean once he was down already he could have thought “to hell with it” and done a Buster Douglas. I don’t think Sonny did anything Douglas didn’t do against Holyfield.

And Sonny didn’t need a Hollywood type conspiracy to do that.

yes I agree with this. Sonny is consciously play acting here. But there is some credence in Sonny doing this in order to buy more time while all that keystone cop malarkey was going on.

Ali was jumping around like the kids from “Fame”.

-and it doesn't change how Sonny ended up on the floor in the first place. He was legitimately put there.

it absolutely was a farce. Even if Sonny wanted to throw that fight The result was blown entirely by Ali, Walcott and Fleischer. Sonny was not in control of any of that.

 

Im enjoying watching all of the hearsay fly back and forth as fact here: So and so said Williams was the biggest puncher, so and so said Frazier was crying in pain in his dressing room, so and so said Liston took a dive, so and so said Liston was 165 years old when he died. Its like the barbershop scene of Coming to America all over again.

 

Bingo! Sonny's jab ain't that quick flicking kind that Ali threw, as Dundee once said,Sonny's jab knocked teeth out. As I already said Joe can't fight backing up and he can't back up Sonny Liston. Far too many people judge Liston by the Ali fights at the end of his career

 

Legitimate knock down? Jimmy Lennon who was ringside said that punch couldn't have busted a grape. Ali can be seen screaming at Liston to get up because nobody's going to believe this, that's what he said. Even Ali knew it was a dive, I suspect he had heard rumors of such a thing.

 

Yes Im an old fella which means what exactly?
My point ,which you ignored is Frazier went to hospital for 3 weeks because he was totally exhausted and beaten up.Thats why he defended against two nobodies over the next 2 years and avoided his ranked challengers.

 

Phil Pepe was in Frázier's dressing room but perhaps he was lying?
I maintain Williams was a harder puncher than Frazier,it is your prerogative to disagree is you wish.

 

I pretty much ****ing said it, what you blind as well ??? "IGNORANCE"

 

Congrats on spelling ignorance correctly.


After reading your last few posts, I'm not surprised you have high blood pressure! LOL
Take a pill for ****'s sake mate!LOL

 

Joe Frazier did have a number of health/physical issues throughout his career.

He had the bad eye. High blood pressure. Later, he had hepatitis.

Frazier being in the hospital for so long after Fight 1 due to "high blood pressure" is an excuse that's been around for a while. But nobody at the time really bought it.

The people in the arena knew what a tremendous beating Frazier absorbed to the head. In fact, the initial rumors after the fight were Frazier had gone to the hospital and had died from the beating he took. That was quickly squashed, but the beating he had absorbed led a lnumber of reporters to believe it until they got to the hospital to confirm it wasn't true.

After he remained in the hospital for weeks afterward, the stories were he had high blood pressure that was being treated and monitored. But, like others here have said, that didn't make sense. The stay was too long.

In Howard Cosell's book that was written in 1973, he talked about how Yank Durham was so worried about the beating Frazier had taken during the first Ali fight that Durham brought Frazier back slowly to see where Joe was at physically. That's why Joe didn't fight for nearly a year and his first fight back came against Terry "freaking" Daniels. (Whereas Ali was back in the ring three months after Fight 1 against the next highest rated heavyweight, Ellis.)

Frazier clearly won the first Ali fight on points. But, like Meldrick Taylor against Julio Cesar Chavez in 1990, he apparently took a beating he never fully "came all the way back" from.