Wladimir Klitschko 2010 vs Wilder

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  1. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Young Wlad could well be stopped by Wilder, albeit he could also wreck Wilder's chin, 09-14 Wlad ices him.
     
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  2. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    Breazele has beaten who?

    Same goes for Ortiz, he’s faced two top 10 fighters and is 1-2, he’s a bogeyman based on people’s hatred of AJ.

    GTFOH.

    Wilder has faced 2 legit top 10 fighters in 40+ fights.
     
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  3. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Neither Brazeale nor Ortiz has ever lost to anyone non-elite. If you don't think they are good, then okay, but Ortiz is a consensus top 5 (or maybe 6-7 now) HW while Breazeale is still top 15. But for the sake of discussion, let's dismiss him as an unwanted mandatory opponent. You still have three of the past four and soon to be four of the past five Wilder fights against one consensus top three opponent and one in the 5-7. And if the only filler is a top 15 mandatory, that's pretty damn good.

    You're focusing entirely on Wilder's comp without addressing Wladimir's suspect opposition during that time. How do you size up the guys on his list -- for six years. You said Wladimir's list was better than today's top 10. Show us how that's true. I think you're gonna have a real tough time.
     
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  4. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder by KO, anything Lamon Brewster and Ross Purity can do Wilder can do better
     
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  5. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    And neither have fought anyone truly elite.

    Neither have more than 1 quality wins, Ortiz would be a challenger in any era but he’s never going to be a champion. Breazeale is a jobber.
     
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  6. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    LOL, Puritty fought really green Wlad, who was years pre-prime. And granite-chinned Ross took a hell of a punishment before stopping him. Brewster fought much better and more experienced version of Wlad and he also took hallacious beating before Wlad started to tire. There is no f*cking way in hell that Wilder would took the same amount of punishment from Wlad without being KTFOed. Puritty and Brewster had iron-cast chins, Wilders chin is really suspect
     
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  7. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wlad's chin ain't suspect is it? it'll crack like ice in my scotch and he'll melt just as quickly.
     
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  8. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of coruse, Wilder's right hand would KO Wlad if he catches him clean. But Wlad has more weapons in his arsenal (right hand an left hook) to KO Wilder plus much better skills, balance and higher IQ
     
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  9. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder is about to face the best fighter in the division -- and his personal worst matchup -- for the second time in 14 months, and it wouldn't have taken that long but for Fury. The reality is that only the very top guys are going to have elite wins, and thus you're going to have be subjective in how you assess fighters. There have been superior eras to this one, sure, but there also have been worse. If you don't think Wilder, Joshua and Fury are elite fighters, you're not going to have much company.

    Also, you seem reluctant to analyze Wladimir's opponents during the timeframe you referenced. Why?
     
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  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    He already sparked Bum Squad out x 2 in sparring with big gloves and headgear on in 2012 and the best case scenario for the later if that sparring rumour isn't true is he was dropped heavily twice by him and badly hurt, so badly hurt he had to leave the ring and this is something which has been confirmed by James Ali Bashir, Javan ''Sugar'' Hill, Andy Lee and the poster Chef who was the Klitchko brother's chef and camp manager.

    Don't even get me started on the difference in skill, boxing ability, jabs, footwork, fluidity and coordination between them. Bum Squad has a long reach and a huge right hand. Conversely, Wlad has an absolute bomb for a right hand too but he also has one of best jabs the division has ever seen and an absolutely savage left hook too and he's infinitely more skilled and an infinitely better boxer and it's not even remotely close. Wlad can beat you with the jab alone (a very rapid, accurate and hurtful powerful jab), box your ears off and spark you out cold with either hand.

    The difference between them in terms of skill and boxing ability is literally night and day. Wlad would toy with Bum Squad, jab his head off, and he would have absolutely no answer for that thumping jab which would be crashing into his face with force and regularity and consistently rocking his head back and hurting him for as long as the fight lasts, which wouldn't be very long if Wlad didn't want it to be, and then he'd spark him out in brutal HL reel fashion.

    Man, I wish we could've seen Bum Squad summon the courage to face Wlad, even the way past prime version, because I would've been laughing all the way to the bank. Wlad via brutal KO. Levels.

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  11. Odins beard

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    Im not willing to waste my time on an idiot, that’s why only for you to move the goalposts or flat out lie.

    Breazeale sums the whole posts up.
     
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  12. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    Im not willing to waste my time on an idiot, that’s why only for you to move the goalposts or flat out lie.

    Breazeale sums the whole posts up.
     
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  13. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wlad. Just too much of a gap in skill and technique.
     
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  14. UniversalPart

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    Someone remind me how sparring between Klitschko and Wilder went.....
     
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  15. Dance84

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    wlad beats him

    however wilder can knock him out
     
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