Ortiz fought An Entirely Wrong Fight And Still Gave Wilder Huge Problems.

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  1. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Looking back at this one style match up.

    1. Ortiz was a very low punch count ( A no no with Wilder )He had enough rounds off and in round 7 did up the pace but read number .3.

    2. Ortiz was VERY heavy footed then last time ,almost challenging Wilder to get him in every round.

    3. Ortiz continued to circle to Wilder right hand direction ( how do you prepare months for a guy like Wilder and not know to not do that ? )

    4.Mistakes Ortiz miised on.....In the first he connects with a right hand at the end and dips under wilder with a delayed grazing head shot after clinching , had he came up over with a left immediately may have really hurt wilder,he would have never saw it coming. Ortiz had Wilder cornered in Rnd 4 early and circled the wrong way letting Wilder corner him ?

    5. Very limited body attack and when he landed those stiff ones Wilder had to reset and wouldn't have had an and instead Ortiz stayed in the pocket at striking distance way to much and was extremely flat footed going beyond rnd 5 . If Ortiz had not engaged Wilder he could have went 12 easily but he knows he wasn't winning the scorecard battle.

    I didn't score one round for Wilder prior to stoppage , but in the end Wilder defeats a formidable guy once again ( though that's rare bc hes only fought 2 ) But Ortiz shows he can box at high level even if its a limited Wilder . Had Ortiz had a few more inches in length or height he would win no doubt, he was within inches to really landing flush more then a few times in this one to Wilders chin., but this is the thing and that's Wilder NEEDS height most of al against all around solid skilled guys ,its why he looked real bad with Fury the entire time beyond the knockdowns.

    At the end the fight could have continued and maybe goes longer where Ortiz streps off and disebgages ,who knows ?
     
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  2. Dubblechin

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    He was up 5 rounds to 1 on two of the official cards and was winning the seventh when he got caught with a single shot.

    I think he did fine.
     
  3. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Well if we had you Wilder fanatics really critique this fight you would say it was the best performance in history displayed by Ortiz, of course you would you are a Wilder fan. Its what you do ,instead of be realistic on anything you inflate things beyond the level of any logical thinking because that's what his fan base does, lol

    Being up 5 rounds ( on your card ) doesn't mean much either ,Washington was up every round to wasn't he ? What about Molina ,Szpilka , Fury Werent they ahead ? See that's 5 fights with 4 guys in 10 title defenses , two where he got one round knockouts ( Breazeale/Stiverne )so he didn't get a chance to get out boxed in those. Yea this sounds impressive but lets be real even though that's impossible here , guys like Arreola and Duhaupas aren't going to out box a wilder at least not at the time they fought him.

    The difference with Ortiz is hes able to control wilder and cant be pushed back, with a little smarter IQ could get a win . Though will the refs be in full protection mode as this one and call it off after a first knockdown ? I doubt that unless its maybe the last round where they will be under scrutiny more . The purpose of the thread isn't even about wilder its about Ortiz and why he could still make for good match making away from wilder.
     
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  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He was up five rounds to 1 on two official cards. He was doing fine.
     
  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you scored every round for Ortiz, why did you label your thread "Ortiz fought an entirely wrong fight?"

    Sounds like he fought the entirely CORRECT fight. You gave him EVERY round.

    He just got caught by a sweet right hand.

    You can't plan a strategy where the other guy doesn't get to punch back. The other guy gets to hit you, too.
     
  7. Saintpat

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    So what you’re saying is Ortiz will be recovered completely from his concussion long before you’re over being triggered.

    Deontay’s power still reverberates through your addled, rattled brain days later.
     
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  8. AlwaysFirst

    AlwaysFirst Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ortiz was “winning” until he wasn’t.
     
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  9. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    Wilder barely won a minute of the fight bar the stoppage.

    If he fights like that against any of the true top fighters he’s going to lose.
     
  10. Dubblechin

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    Do exactly as I say. Now grab my arm. The other arm. No, my other arm.

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  11. smiffyinoz

    smiffyinoz Active Member Full Member

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    Ortiz looked unsure on his feet just moving around the ring, that man is ancient
     
  12. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Can't hate the man for his age ,the old saying goes one can age overnight in boxing even if you are in better shape ,in ring is different.

    I'd like to see him against a skill guy under 6'5 though Parker ,Whyte or Kownacki these types.
     
  13. tee_birch

    tee_birch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If he lands that shot against any of the top fighters he wins though.

    Wilder is limited AF but has a hell of a dig and there aren’t many of the top heavies that are known for packing granite
     
  14. Dubblechin

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    He was staring down the barrel of a shotgun.

    Wait until Fury gets back in the ring. He looked "unsure" against Wallin. When he's staring back at Wilder again, it'll be round 13.
     
  15. Odins beard

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    True and I’m not ragging on him, he brings an added dimension to the division and you have to watch him.

    I remember going to the toilet at the start of the12th round against Fury only to nearly **** myself trying to get back down after my friends shouted up what had happened.

    He’s flawed to **** but must watch TV, my only problem is how technically he hasn’t really improved and it could hurt him in the future.
     
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