In a way, it is unfair and we can only speculate. But as it stands, although Wilder has a higher knockout percentage, I think that Mike was the better puncher.
My opinion is that Mike is a better puncher in terms of his Countering ability, hooks and uppercuts and combinations no doubt, not even close. But in terms of raw Power, Wilder trumps him easily.
I really like Foreman. And Tyson is ten times the fighter Wilder is. But George does talk a lot of nonsense. He doesn't really answer anything seriously and comes off as phony sometimes. He sounds like a commercial every time. I don't know if he truly means this.
Mike Tyson, George Foreman, David Tua, Ike Ibeabuchi, Wladimir Klitcschko, Anthony Joshua, Frank Bruno, Ernie Shavers, Tommy Morrison ect all punched harder than Deontay Wilder.
What would a Prime Tyson or a Prime Foreman for that matter do to the Heavyweights that are around at the moment....Would an Old Man in Ortiz have lasted 7 rounds with either a Prime Tyson or Foreman....the Quality of the Heavyweight division at the moment is very ordinary people should stop over rating Wilder.!!!
Though we could also cite guys who went longer with Wilder than others, I agree with you re: one punch power. But how soon or often you can KO somebody is a terrible measure of absolute power. Speed, accuracy, skill, chin, endurance, combos & more go into keeping a man down. Furthermore, even if KO % WAS somehow accurate in this regard, a fighter who had has a longer career & include his declining period has a disadvantage compared to someone still in their prime. And of course as pointed out, the quality of the opposition (& the eras). So statistics effectively *do* lie. Meaning without the proper understanding of them & context... The wrong conclusions can & often are drawn from the deployment of statistics.
So what if Wilder had landed that right hand on Charlie Zelenoff? Im impressed charlie even absorbed a grazing shot like it was nothing
Even to compare the speed, accuracy, skill etc. we are comparing Tyson's slipping, counter punching and hook/uppercuts/overhand rights to Wilder's straight right. That's not comparing who hits harder, that comparing who has a better arsenal. Raw power, which is what this thread is saying (Mike Tyson hits Harder) has to go to Deontay, Mike has better combos/arsenal/skill, but pure power is going to Wilder.
Whats your problem ?? Those are foremans words not mine . id thought it be a good topic to discuss . tyson vs wilders power . im not on no side here . you are a good poster. Ive seen you posts here and always seen you make fair posts judging fighters abilities. You are one of the most knowledgeable posters ive seen on this forum . dont get emotional over me putting up a posts . Tyson vs wilders power is great topic
My apologies as I may have been a bit harsh. Have read some stupidity on here before seeing your post. Foreman is referring to greatness not who hits harder. He said DW needs a Berbek type knockout but George doesn't make it clear if hes referring too the level of fighter or the type of ko? I took it as level of competition. When asked who punches harder George says its like compare vanilla and chocolate and he wouldn't want to taste either to find out. He does say that DW is not the hardest puncher of all time but doesnt elaborate. The headline to the interview is click bait (TMZ surprise, surprise) but its not what George said.
Also let me add DW has insane power and might be the hardest puncher of all time but I cant say whether he is or isn't. I just know he has knocked out a lot of men and that's not an easy thing to do.
True. I do believe tyson knocked out opponents. With a combination. Punches. As for one punch total power. Wilder may have the lead
Let's hear what my main man Jay Deas aka none other than the trainer of the ''hardest puncher of all time/slayer of a murder's row of ATG killers'' Bootleg Dorticos aka Delusional D has to say about this This content is protected Is Deontay Wilder the biggest heavyweight puncher of all time? Trainer Jay Deas has guided the 'Bronze Bomber' since he first walked into a boxing gym and here makes the case for his man being the biggest puncher of them all... "Power is a unique thing. Every heavyweight can hit, but some just have that 'it' factor. Punchers are basically born but you can improve power 10 per cent or so with conditioning and technique. Spacing, distance, timing all play into it. Some guys can punch but don’t use these things effectively so their knockout totals aren’t what they could be. "There are different kinds of power. Getting hit by George Foreman was like getting hit by a truck at 35 miles per hour. You feel every inch of it, real pain. Getting hit by Mike Tyson was like getting hit by a bullet. Speed power. Doesn’t hurt so much as you’re just on the ground and your body doesn’t work! "In the past, not to discount Jack Johnson, Jim Jeffries, John L. Sullivan and those guys but technique and training has advanced so far since the early 1900’s, it’s not really fair to include them. Moving forward, Earnie Shavers hit scary hard. Joe Louis was precise. Evander Holyfield had power but not so much one-punch power, he did it with volume. I bring up these names because Shavers, Louis, Holyfield and today’s Deontay Wilder are all Alabama guys. All born in Alabama. Country power! "From the past you’d have to consider Louis, Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey, Shavers, Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Shannon Briggs, Vitali Klitschko, Joe Frazier and I’m sure I’m leaving many out! Herbie Hide had bone-jarring power. He hurt Riddick Bowe every time he hit him. Bowe got him out of there 'cause he had to. Corey Sanders (SMFH it's Corrie Sanders not the American HW Corey Sanders. How to tell them apart other than one of them being white and the other black? Corrie's the guy who would've iced your boy out cold in 2 rounds max, whereas your boy might have beaten Corey) of South Africa had scary power and may beat most heavyweights in history in 2/3 round fights. For a couple of rounds his southpaw speed and power was sensational. "I think Foreman gets the nod [of past heavyweights]. Vicious puncher! Even in his second career he still had it, and was better relaxed and able to use it. "As for today, Deontay Wilder no question. I’m not just saying that because I train him. His power is other-worldly. Ask anyone who has been hit by him; Jameel McCline, former four-time world title challenger and a friend, sparred with Deontay and said it’s not like getting hit by a human being. That was in 20oz gloves and headgear! "Deontay accidentally hit me under the body protector once. Gave me a hernia. I had to have surgery. He dislocated Mark Breland’s shoulder with a right hand when Mark was doing mitts. He fractured Coach Cuz Hill’s thumb with a hook on mitts. "Deontay can graze you and hurt you. He has more that Tyson speed power mentioned earlier but also can hit you where you feel every inch of it like Foreman. So he has both if needed. "Other guys in the division have power in different ways. Luis Ortiz can punch with both hands. Dillian Whyte has a tremendous left hook. Fantastic. Anthony Joshua has a right and also a hook. Ruiz has that overhand right. Fury has a sneaky uppercut he can throw from various range and angles. But hands down Deontay. "Which brings us to best puncher all time. Foreman or Wilder? Foreman fought in the best era ever for heavyweights. Wilder is in a great era as well. History will show this to be a wonderful time. "You know I’m going Wilder. I’m a historian so it’s not that I’m viewing through millennial eyes, I’m too old for that. It’s just that Wilder hits like no one ever has. He has the hand and bone structure of a basketball player. Thin long bones. Not big thick bones like other heavyweights so it’s really a rare thing. Appreciate him while you can. He really is must-see TV. And boy can he punch!"