The Brockton Bomber vs The Bronze Bomber

Of course it is.

 

He couldn't stop a right hand. If that had been Marciano? OMG. They could count 100 over him.

 

Oh okay he jabbed off the back foot!lol
Marciano had to get inside to be effective the 15" reach difference means that at long range he would be landing nothing whereas Wilder would be able to tag him. ie Lewis v Tua

Same height as whom? Toney ?Toney could lean back on the ropes and make you miss all night, ever see Marciano do that ?
Toney fought nothing like Marciano he did'nt have to because he had great defence and was an excellent all round fighter with different tools.
Marciano was a one trick pony, his M.O was come forward in a crouch ,leaning to the right get in range as quickly as he could and whale away trusting in his power , his conditioning,and his readiness to accept punishment,secure in the knowledge that he hit could harder than his opponents and forlonger ,and therefore one of his blows would be worth 2 of their's . That would not be the case here he would find himself up against a harder hitter and one who could hit him while he himself was out of range of effective retaliation.
Wilder lost 6 straight rounds to Ortiz ,then saw one opining for his right hand and it was game over.
Every good fighter who fought Marciano hit him and hit him plenty.
37 Years old Louis jabbed his face off in the early rounds keeping him at bay with just his left hand then his legs went ,he became a stationary target and it was the end.

38 Years old Walcott was in front after 13 rds but tiring he began to resort to snatching brief rests leaning back on the ropes. saving his legs. He floored Marciano and landed consistantly on him.
Charles 33,188lbs, with 100 fights on the clock ,met him mid ring and fought him for 15rds but didn't have the fire-power to stop him.
Moore 38/40 ,who by his own admission had no legs for that fight,floored and stunned Rocky but was gradually worb down.
These were old battle worn men, still having success in the division because post WW2 it was so bloody poor! Wilder would not be a battle worn veteran,nor would he be188lbs like Charles,Moore,or Lastarza ,or 20lbs overweight like Cokkell , and he hits a damn sight harder than anyone Marciano ever faced,in fact he may just be the hardest one sot power puncher we have seen at heavyweight.
At some point he is going to land flush on Rocky and when he does, the little guy is going to sleep!

 

WRONG!
2003-03-01 Roy Jones Jnr 193 John Ruiz 226 38 4 1
Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas
W
UD 12/12
referee: Jay Nady | Stanley Christodoulou 118-110 | Duane Ford 117-111 | Jerry Roth 116-112
World Boxing Association World Heavy Title (supervisor: Calvin Inalsingh).

Toney added
30/50 lbs to compete at heavyweight and he was as mobile as a street lamp!He compensated for this with his marvellous defence Marciano would not have this option, he has to crowd/swarm and wear his opponent down
for the coup de grace.
Byrd had 47 fights for on;y 2 of those was he under 193 lbs
for the other he was 193 and for all the others over 200lbs . Byrd is 6 foot 2 inches with a 74 inch reach so 4 inches taller than Marciano and he outreaches him by 6 inches.
Point being Byrd had the frame and height to add the weight Marciano did not!

Hide had 53 fights, for only 3 of these was he under 190lbs, he was 19,20 & 21 for those fights.
Hide was218lbs at the age of 23 when he fought Frankie Swindell and ,in his next fight weighing216 lbs he won the WBO title.
Hide is 6 foot 2 inches tall with a 75inch reach , he carried over 210lbs easily and was never in the ring with a trace of superfluous flesh on him. Sorry Fella ,the joke's on YOU!

 

You probably know a lot less about boxing then you think you do assuming Marciano was a one trick pony. Great at feints, closing the distance, deflecting jabs and rights, countering, endurance, power, exc. and FYI Jones wore sneakers a sweat suit exc for his weigh in. Yes no one would compare Toney Byrd or Hide to Marciano. He was leagues above them. The point though which seems to be going way over your head is that those men gained weight and competed same as men like Holyfield. Although for wilder with a 20 pound weight difference he wouldn’t have to gain anything.

 

yes, most felt Marciano beat the amateur star and was robbed but we know Marciano started going into the 2nd gear after a few rds. The point of the tape is Romanov is listed at 6' ft so his determination and allowed him to fight in his punching range

Marciano could do it. I thought Joshua was the real deal but short armed Ruiz got in range and punched in bunches - Marciano could do that well. I like Wilder, he has heart and power and has nasty power but Giants can get KO'd - as we have seen numerous times with David Price, Vlad Klitschko and Joshua as well as Lennox Lewis - a prime 5'10 Tyson without steroids could knock them all out- so could Marciano and Frazier could have his share of wins-

I said could not would - the most important factors are will, determination and fighting in your punching range - I would not count out any ATG because of size when there were other outstanding strengths as I would not say Valuev at 7ft or Price at 6'8 or Joshua at 6'6 or Fury at 6'9 would beat everyone - could and would are 2 different things

Ruiz and Ortiz and Haye or Brewster, Rahman are very good fighters IMO but not ATG's, yet they have beaten Giants

 

How do you think Rocky would do against Romanov at the same age if he st started boxing 20?

 

Wilder had started boxing at 20 and the Romanov fight was three years later. That's a ridiculous learning curve and he's not the same guy at 34.

 

Not to much has changed in his pro career, just like in this video of him as a amateur and just like his most recent fight against Ortiz and what I've noted for a few yrs now. Wilder has major flaws in his game. And dann near all ATG's and very goods from 1960 through 2005 would embarrass him at the pro level..... And what is being shown in actuality when Wilder, Fury or Joshua looks "So good" in a boxing ring is how poorly trained, old, or physically over matched the competition is.

 

Wow nailed it. Perfectly said

 

Which of Marciano's fights give us any indication of how he would go about closing the distance and staying inside, without eating bombs, against the Wilder of the Ortiz fights?

This isn't going to be a 5'11/6 foot fighter like Jersey Joe or Ezzard Charles standing and circling Marciano 2-3 feet away while trying to avoid his attacks with subtle feints and slips. Wilder is going to be throwing punches from a different area code. And when Marciano plods forward or starts one of his awkward rushes, Wilder is going to take a couple quick steps back and be halfway across the ring.