Is it possible Monzon is overrated ? S.I. Vault article rips him ..

Just his record tells you he is something very special: 87-3 with the 3 losses as a greenhorn. He also has some big names on there.

That's kinda the baseline you have to work from.

If people want to argue that Hagler, SRR, Greb, RJJ, or other top tier MW's would beat him, that's fair enough, styles make fights, let's hear the arguments ... but just being mentioned in similar company sort of underlines how good you are.

 

While I agree Monzon isnt the most exciting guy in the least to watch what interests me alot is how ineffective his opponents are against him. For a guy who in many opinions doesnt look like much on film it's just plain interesting how no one could dominate let alone beat the man.
Good bit on him on YouTube but like you said all in Spanish. I found some cool little training clips but I just cant figure out how to post them.
The way a sliding Monzon handled a very underrated Valdez says alot, were they exciting fights no not really but he just has a way of handling people that make you ask yourself how is he doing that? But he is over and over.

 

He was the best in his time, no losses in almost 13 years. I wish his and Hagler's primes lined up - what a fight that would have been.

 

"the product of Latin "generosity" and emotion." I Didn't understand this? It seems the article wanted to focus on the murder by saying that was his harder fight of his life. When I read that crock of sh*t statement, that discredits it for me ... If people don't understand Monzon's style and what he is doing in the ring, then so be it.

 

Brusa was obviously an extremely effective trainer, curtesy of Moore.
His training interests me the most.

 

Explain the connection please. I must be missing something

 

Well Moore was an esteemed guest when he visited Argentina, as he was invited by the president. I read on here that he also trained some people over there, including Brusa. Might be wrong on that part though, but Brusa began training as early as 1950 so it might not be untrue either

 

Yeah...thats right surfinghb1...and personally, I'm tired of trying to explain Monzon to these people....I've been doing it for as long as I've been a boxing board member on line. The thickheads will never learn or understand. A bullshlt article btw....Monzon was perhaps the least Latin-like fighter of all time...I'm amazed that he was even a Latin as a matter of fact.

 

I put this in translate, so the grammar is off but makes the point

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' Although he was also a catch fighter - some still remember the Red Masked - in his heart and in his soul the dream of turning to the technical direction was already growing. Observer, analyst and scholar as very few, Amílcar took his first steps learning from two consecrated monsters who visited Buenos Aires: the American brunettes Sandy Saddler (feather world king, whose first name was Joseph, who was born in Boston on June 23, 1926 and died on September 18, 2001, at age 75) and Archie Moore (middleweight monarch, whose real name was Archibald Lee Right, born on December 13, 1916 in Benoit and who died on December 9, 1998, a the 81'

 

Still don't understand the "Latin generosity" part… why does he say that? went over my head

 

Doesn't make any sense to me either.

 

Brusa was a wrestler, thus the reference to the Red Mask, I believe. He incorporated wrestling into Monzon's game with defensive turns and twists as you can see in Monzon's defense. Brusa was an analytical man … Both Saddler and Moore both fought at Luna Park a few times and Brusa studied their styles and it was these 2 who were a big foundation of his boxing training and teachings

 

Thanks. Very interesting.