Camacho-Chavez '85!

Camacho by razor thin spilt or majority decision on the cards but some give him 8 rds. Not as one sided as Whitaker but Macho still too fast.

 

Chavez beats his arse pretty similar to their actual fight imo.

Camacho was quicker but that's about it. Chavez was too well rounded, clinical, calm and skilled to get flustered or perturbed by Camacho's flashiness and eventually Julio will break Hector down to the body with those hard and never wasted punches and will pound a strictly in survival mode Camacho for a wide UD.

Camacho was an amazing physical talent and truly had some skills but he was no Whitaker boxing abilitywise and he didn't have the mindset of Meldrick Taylor, the two quick fighters that people generally site as examples of Chavez' difficulties with speed merchants.

 

Camacho 82-85 was a dangerous man. I'd take that Camacho over Chavez. Mayweather. Whitaker. Loo at what he did to Ramirez vs. what Chavez and Whitaker did. No comparison. Macho M a n wins here.

 

I still become ill thinking about that Camacho Boza Edwards fight, Hector flicked out a jab and ran the whole night. Pathetic

 

LOL. No.

I actually liked Hector a lot, but Chavez, Whitaker, and Floyd were all a class above him.

No version of Camacho would beat them. Give them difficulty with his speed, sure, but not win.

You're not understanding that brains are more important than physical talent - Whitaker, Chavez, and Floyd were all better thinkers than Camacho, and once you cracked Camacho's style, he couldn't really adjust at all... only run.

 

As much as I liked both, Hector Macho Camacho, in 1985 would have been too fast for Julio Caesar Chavez Sr. He outpointed Jose Luis Castillo, in a rather easy contest, on August 10 1985, for the WBC World Lightweight Title. He had his bell rung by Edwin Rosario, on June 13 1986, in Madison Square Garden, but escaped with a split decision to retain his belt. On Sept 26 1986, he won a unanimous verdict over Cornelious Boza Edwards, in defense of his title, he showed the ill effects of the Rosario bout, by constantly running, not willing to engage. Camacho had blinding hand speed, great footwork, and a pesky right jab. Julio could box and land that devastating left to the body, as well as the crushing right hand that sent many into dreamland, but lacked Hector's speed. Chavez did have trouble with fighters were good boxers, he struggled against Rocky Lockridge, on August 3 1986, in Monte Carlo, Monaco, in winning a majority decision, in defense of his WBC Junior Lightweight Title. On Nov 21 1987, he won the WBA Light weight Title by stopping Edwin Rosario, by TKO 11. Camacho out boxes Chavez in this contest, too much movement and speed. Julio will get his licks in, but time and again gets rattled by Hector's flashing combinations. Camacho by unanimous decision. Chavez was Hector's mandatory title defense at Junior Lightweight, in 1984, before Camacho vacated his belt, to pursue the lightweight title

 

Camacho used to have punching power before he went up 3 weight classes and becoming more defence oriented fighter. He fought some much taller guys like Solis and Howard Davis and easily outboxed them. Camacho that from 83-85 definetely could possibly snatch a narrow victory, it would be similar to Taylor fight but Camacho definetely had a better chin... or maybe would be similar to Camacho vs Ramirez but Chavez certainly would win many more rounds (I dont think Ramirez win any round?)

 

I remember Irleis Cubanito Perez giving that version of Hector hell. I respect what Camacho accomplished but still don't see him beating JCC Sr.

 

X, I happen to agree and believe this to be a great post. Thank you

 

Camacho was WAY too slick at his best for Chavez.
Everyone acts like Camacho was close to his best vs Chavez and he wasnt even close.
Camacho at his best was a beast and i didnt like Camacho.
He was fast,slick,and had a mean streak.
He dropped Ramirez something Chavez failed to do.

 

Chavez walked through Rosario's bombs. Something which Camacho failed to do. For every common opponent where Macho's performance betters Julio's, there's one where Chavez is better than Macho against the same man. It's not the be all and end all in how a fight would pan out. Joe Calzaghe dropped Eubank which Nigel Benn never managed in 21 rounds. Who was the harder hitter there?

I actually think Camacho was really good but his career would not see him ranked in the uppermost echelons of Mexican fighters. JCC generally sits in the top 5 in most lists, often at the top.

I'll go with what was rather than what could have been. Chavez on a clear decision in which he sweeps the championship rounds if its over 15. Maybe a bit closer if it is fought over 12.

 

Ramirez KO'd Rosario in less than 5 rounds.

 

Hector Camacho was Puerto Rican, not Mexican, but you are right Chavez was. Good Post.

 

Camacho would start well. Land those blazing flurries but when Julio doesn't go anywhere and it's still cutting the ring down landing left hooks to the body macho's punch output will drop round by round. The fight progresses to the mid-rounds Chavez takes control. Landing cleaner and cleaner to the body in the head. That is when Camacho of course turns to survival mode.
It would be better than their actual fight in 93. Both guys were younger and quicker. People forget that Julio wasn't at his best anymore by 93 either.
Chavez by decision 8 to 4

 

Camacho i believe never got stopped in his ENTIRE career something that Chavez failed to do.
The point is that JC didnt have one punch power like some of these post try to suggest.
Camacho was almost as fast as Taylor but jab ALOT faster footspeed then Taylor and was WAY more defensively sound then Taylor.
So put someone in with the handspeed of Taylor but moves ALOT more.
And all these posts about how Chavez vs Taylor was close is just plain DUMB. Chavez was getting outboxed and needed a stoppage to win which he got. But make no mistake Taylor was beating him going into the 12th.
Camacho was a special fighter for a short time.
You couldnt get close enough to touch him at one point in his career.
And Chavez had immense trouble with SPEED which Camacho had.