Rocky Marciano vs David Tua

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Rocky Marciano vs David Tua

  1. Marciano By PTS

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  2. Marciano By KO/TKO

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  3. Draw

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  4. Tua By PTS

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  5. Tua By KO/TKO

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  1. mcvey

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    Yeah ,not like when we had great heavies in Rocky's time, guys like.
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  2. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    I couldn't give a rats ### who would win this as I dont care for either guy. Adleast Rocky had determination though.
    Anyway all this talk about weight weight and more weight but didnt Jeffries have somewhere in the vicinity of 60 lbs on Choynski and had to settle for a 20 rd draw if I'm not mistaken!!
    Theres solid functional weight then theres undisciplined ...well I'm a HW I'll show up how fat I want too. Tua showed up fat plenty for what it's worth. The fatter he was the worse his performance
     
  3. ThePainMan

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    Lol now you are going to bring up fighters who boxed in in the late 1800's? If you honestly believe Jim Jefferies a boxer who turned pro in what the 1880's is as skilled as David Tua then please leave this site. If you honestly believe boxing hasn't evolved since the 1890's then please leave this site. Also if size doesn't matter. Could Sugar Ray Leonard beat Rocky Marciano? Or are you going to say size only matters when it benefits your point?
     
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  4. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Diminishing returns for weight advantage
     
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  5. janitor

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    Yes I think that he scraped in at 10 around the time of the Bonin fight!
     
  6. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    You obviously dont understand my point so I'm not wasting anymore time trying to explain it. You either get it or you dont and it has nothing to do about the sport evolving so u just dont get any of it. So how about you please leave this site
     
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  7. Glass City Cobra

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    I keep hearing this but i have yet to see any evidence backed by legitimate scientific research or even a logical argument.

    There are several 220+ pound fighters and athletes who don't sacrifice speed or stamina or finesse and are very explosive and strong at the same time. This whole diminishing returns thing only applies to fighters who are lumbering oafs like mariusz wach who carry a lot of extra weight and it doesn't help them punch harder or faster. It does NOT apply to guys like Tyson or Holmes david haye.

    If you think the idea 160 pound Marvin hagler going toe to toe with marciano is "ridiculous" and "blasphemy" when there's only about a 15-18 pound difference then you should apply the same logic when discussing marciano vs david tua (which is a 30+ pound difference).
     
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  8. mcvey

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    Was Jeffries fat, or maybe he was just rather green and possibly not as good as he has been portrayed?
     
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  9. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    1. I've never called Hagler going head to head with Rocky blasphemy

    2. It's objectively true. Watch powerlifting, the jump from 160-181 adds more on their total than the jump from 280 to the open class where dudes usually weigh about 400lbs. Again boxing history shows that many great 180lbsers have beaten and or given huge trouble to even skilled athletic 220-240lbers. Genetics or skills can bridge the gap, such as how Bob Fitzsimmons weighed 160lbs yet his punch carried into heavyweight
     
  10. janitor

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    Everybody tacitly acknowledges it.

    Look at the threat discussing who was the hardest puncher in heavyweight history.

    A lot of the people being nominated are not huge guys.

    Even is you hold up somebody like Lennox Lewis as the summit, there are clearly much bigger athletes in other sports.
     
  11. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Tbh Lennox has no argument over Shavers in my eyes, and in fact there are quotes that Morrison hit harder than him. 2 men that weren't as large as Lewis.
     
  12. robert ungurean

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    I believe he was rather green at the time. Jefferies at 220 was very solid as far as I can tell. There are some reports of both fighters weights varying slightly but generally its between 55-60 lbs i believe.
     
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  13. ThePainMan

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    Lol as I figured you have no point. It is okay. Pretty much everybody on this site is like you. The @mcvey ect are just like you. Completely clueless. You think you know the sport. You want to believe you know the sport. Because you think if you like boxing it will make you manly. But clearly boxing is too complex for you to handle. Maybe stick to a easier sport. Size matters in boxing. I am not talking about some boxer from the 1800s when every boxer skill wise was basically so unskilled the typical drunk in a bar had more boxing skills. Which is why as I stated there are no 5'10 180 pounds or smaller heavyweight champions anymore.

    But keep posting silly stuff. @mcvey will like your comments and he knows just as little about boxing as you do.
     
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  14. ThePainMan

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    The fact that you are a Marciano fan means nobody can take you seriously. The moment you see a person trying to justify their point by bringing up a fighter who boxed in the 1800's and trying to compare that to modern fighters proves you can't take them seriously. When Bob Fitsimmons was boxing the skill level, the athleticism, the talent pool was vastly inferior compared to modern boxers. It is funny how people like you can't grasp that boxing has change since the 1800's. Bob knocking out boxers so bad that is they boxed today they wouldn't even be considered amateurs.

    It is also amazing how there are no 5'11 160 to 170 pound guys like Bob Fitzsimmons at heavyweight today right? There was no boxing from the 1800's who was athletic as any modern heavyweight, so history hasn't shown that a 180 pound guy could compete against any top level modern heavyweight. Which is why the last time there was a 5'10 180 pound heavyweight champion was back in the 50's. This is why the cruiser weight division was created. The funny thing is Marciano would be considered small even for cruiser weight standards now days.

    Lastly you probably didn't know this because of your lack of boxing knowledge. The gloves back then were 4 ounces. Second just because a guy has a lot of knockouts doesn't mean he is a world class puncher. Lamar Clark had 43 wins and 42 knockouts. I guess he is one of the hardest punchers of all time too right? He also weighed 180 pounds so clearly he could beat guys like David Tua, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman ect? Clark had a lot of knockouts against inferior opposition. The funny thing is the guys that Lamar fought were still better than anybody Fitzsimmons fought. I am not talking about historically speaking. I am talking about factually speaking. Boxing as I said has evolved considerably since the 1800's. What was considered top of the line then would be consider a joke by modern standards.
     
  15. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Shut the **** up Farooq