The Brockton Bomber vs The Bronze Bomber

He was rated by some because of his win over Charles but Archie was lightheavyweight Champion who beat Bob Baker, Valdes, Harold Johnson and Satterfield so everyone knew Archie deserved the title shot- before NV -Valdes lost again in the eliminator to Moore so he blew it - I attached the last part of the Valdes -Satterfield fight -the rest are available on you-tube -look at the size difference between the men - If Valdes is listed as 6'2-6"3 Bob was way shorter - read the article on box rec said Satterfeild gave away a half of head in height- also you can google Bob Satterfield and his height is listed at 5'10 same as Harold Johnson- Boxrec is not always accurate- if you watch- Charles vs Satterfield you can see Charles is taller and what was Charles 6 ft

• Valdes went down for a nine-count in the tenth round.
• Scoring: 98-92, 97-93, 97-88.- pretty clear who won

https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Nino_Valdes_vs._Bob_Satterfield

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No. You are completely incorrect.

I think most of Those guys at least matched him in power. All were better in punch selection and defense. And almost all had better, more proven heavyweight chins.

If you're coming up to the unlimited weight division, you had better bring a game changing attribute or two with you. Rocky would bring none but his adherents 65 years later.

 

The polar extremes in this thread are ****ing hilarious.

 

'Im not disputing Satterfield beat Valdes I'm disputing your use of the term," he destroyed him," he won a decision he did not destroy him.

At the end of 1953 and 1954 ,Valdes was the Ring rated number one contender.
You say Box Rec is not always accurate yet you quote it to prove your point? Do you mean its only accurate when it's is in your favour and inaccurate when not? Because that is the implication. Wikipaedia also lists Satterfield as 6'2",not that its especially important.

 

Bottom line ,you made a blanket statement which I proved to be false ,and now you have amended it and confined it to title defences, without acknowledging your previous statement was wrong.

 

You’re delusional if you don’t think Marciano has incredible power a great chin and stamina he was more then exceptional with that he was all time. His defense is also extremely under rated. He rated very well when compared to other greats defense. Was rarely hit with two punches in a row.

 

Eh on a bell curve with other ATGs in these aspects, it's not as impressive as you're making out.
His Stamina is a clear 10/10
But his Power is like a 7/10
And his chin is pretty much untested by a big puncher, but was dropped by 2 relatively light punching small guys. Probably a 6/10.

That's coz it's not a great defence. He was easy to hit.

 

I am not confining it to anything.

Wilder's opposition is about as bad as it gets with a fighter at this sort of level.

 

Why Marciano would win:

Because Wilder keeps picking soft touches which are either way past their prime or non-punchers ranked outside of the top ten I think his chin nothing better than an average remains a question mark after 41 fights! It was only tested once in the first Oritz fight where he was hurt and hanging on. Lucky for Wilder, Ortiz was gassed and old. Wilder did not beat a prime Ortiz.. Key point, Rocky hits as hard as Ortiz, and throws far more punches, with the ability to pressure his opponent with a fast pace.

I suspect Wilder's inability to take a body shot is even a bigger issue than his chin. String bean leg types with a narrow waist are usually not good at taking body punches. Key Point as Marciano is an excellent body puncher.

Essentialy Wilder operates best hanging back, sometimes getting out boxed, but always preserving his energy, and either waits for the right moment to throw his long-ranged bomb or keeps himself out of harm's way, not caring much about what the scorecards might read.

I've never seen WIlder KO someone form short-range, or with his left hand, have you? Key point. Wilder is tremendous puncher, but needs his wind up range from a distance.

Rocky has a style that comes in low, and would be the better fighter up close. Since Wilder hasn't fought anyone really good aside from Fury who easily outboxed him, its hard to get a gauge on how he would react with a hard-punching live body who would outwork him and has a good chin.

I'm picking Rocky via 7th round KO here as he has the style and energy to take Wilder out of his cruise control mode. Wilder has a puncher's chance for sure.

 

What top drawer bangers did he face to prove his chin was great ?

 

You qualified your original statement ,let's not pretend otherwise, it's there for everyone to see.

 

When it comes to facing past prime fighters ,or non punchers Marciano is the poster boy for the division!
Who says Wilder cannot take body shots? Who has dropped him with one? He took body shots from 235lbs heavy punching Ortiz. Wilder doesn't throw short shots his inside game is non existant,not surprising when he consider he is 6'7" with an 83" reach. Marciano might be better up close but he is going to get hit before he gets there.Wilder is used to handling big Super heavies,I don't see why Rocky would give him any terrors inside.
Marciano never fought a top drawer bangerso we can only speculate what happens when Wilder lands flush on him ,and he would because Marciano was never that elusive,whatever his adoring fans say.

 

No matter what obvious drawbacks people point out, what deficiencies, Limitations, laws of Physics and **** knows what else that may apply, you have those few on here that squirm, wriggle, change the goalposts, basically ANYTHING but bring themselves to admit Marciano could be beaten.

The kicker is that Bummy is on record, accusing people of making Ali out to be Superman.

You honestly cannot believe some of the nonsense they come out with.

 

Wilder KO’d Ortiz with an uppercut on the inside. Otherwise solid post.

 

I get it he didn’t face any monsters. Neither did Wilder. Either way he was never knocked out and floored for only four to six seconds combined on two knockdowns. That’s not bad for a HW champion. You can say it’s not top shelf because it wasn’t completely proven but you can’t call it less then stellar.