the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Frank Fletcher vs James Green


Ahhhhh, back when men were men and a fight was a fight! This is fun! Green reminds me of a MW Aaron Pryor! Non stop punching, gets great leverage and is a blast to watch! The Philly boy Fletcher, if Pachecho was correct was told not to engage heavily for 3 rounds? And Green would wear himself out. If it was a plan it was a good one, because it felt to me like he couldn’t get off like he normally did because Green gave him very little room to operate. Rounds 2-3 are still close and I could see the 3rd going to Frank or even. Rounds 4-5 Frank engages and is the exchanges are fast and furious with both guys throwing and eating heavy shots. But Frank is getting the momentum and looks to be taking over. In 6 it is all Frank and the fight could be stopped 20 seconds in, but it goes on for a minute and a half. Not sure if green threw a single punch this round? Frank is just unloading to the ref waves it off! Great 6 rounds of real fighting!

1-3 Green
4-5 Fletcher
5 pt must system Frank trailing 23-22 on my card at time of stoppage. Judges have Frank up 23-22 w/3rd judge 23-23. This is well worth the time to watch!

 

Salvador Sanchez vs. Azumah Nelson

Is boxing a battle, a sporting contest, an art or a science? The answer is YES after watched this fight!

Ahhhhh this was a special night! This was the night Azumah became my favorite non-Philly fighter. I had never heard of him before and figured it would be an easy night for Sanchez. But by round 13 I was on the edge of my seat thinking Nelson was on the verge on stopping Sanchez, but Sal was just soooooo gooooood!!!

Sanchez looks like he is having difficulty gauging the speed and power of Nelson early. Around 6 Sanchez turns it on gets his timing and accuracy down and seized control dropping Nelson in the 7th. The fight is hotly contested at a high skill level, part slugfest, part hard hitting chess match, part strategic and tactical masterpiece!
Nelson seized control late and rocks Sanchez in the 13th and I am on the edge of my seat thinking an upset is about to happen....not just on fight night, but every time I watch this! But Sanchez is so good, so cool so composed so calculating, a brilliant fighter. Nelson looks dead with rubbery legs in late 14-15 and still he throws, Sanchez grinds him down and drops him in the final round, followed by a barrage and the ref waves it off! Great fight!

I am one of the few it seems that believes that Nelson was better than Sanchez and had he had another year (Sadly, Sal too) and 2-3 more fights under his belt he would have beaten Sanchez and/or taken a rematch. Sadly we will never know!

This is my 2nd favorite fight of all time and I never get tired of watching it!

RBR
1 Nelson
2 Even
3 Sanchez
4 Nelson
5 Nelson
6 Sanchez
7 Sanchez 10-8
8 Sanchez
9 Sanchez
10 Nelson
11 Nelson
12 Nelson
13 Nelson
14 Sanchez
133-133 on my card at time of stoppage!
2 judges have Sal up 135-131 and 134-131, the 3rd has Nelson up 133-132. Nelson by a point or Sal by 3-4 are all realistic cards, the rounds are that close with Nelson being slightly busier and Sal slightly harder hitting. Sals punches certainly had more impact than Nelson so I guess it is what you are looking at and valuing. Either way Sal would have won a UD on my card and all 3 judges had it not ended 1:47 to go.

Must watch fight if you have not seen it!

 

Meldrick Taylor vs Aaron Davis

Round 1: 10-9 Taylor
Round 2: 9-9 (point deduction from Taylor for low blows, Mercante Sr. at it again)
Round 3: 10-9 Taylor
Round 4: 10-9 Taylor
Round 5: 10-9 Davis
Round 6: 10-9 Taylor
Round 7: 10-9 Taylor
Round 8: 10-9 Taylor
Round 9: 10-9 Taylor
Round 10: 10-9 Taylor
Round 11: 10-9 Taylor
Round 12: 10-9 Davis

My Score: (117-110 Taylor) Same as Harold.

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Payao Poontarat vs. Jiro Watanabe I


I would call this a very good fun fight, but just shy of a great exciting fight. It is not the robbery I have been led to believe nor is it a slugfest or even hard hitting chess match that I have heard it called. Rather I found it highly technical and the defensive boxing superb. I would say this fight needs to be watched and scored closely. Lots of missed punches, lots of dodging/ducking, partially blocked and deflected punches. I think the judges cards in total reflect this fight. I saw 6 close rounds, if I give 2 to Poontarat I would have him winning like the one judge if I gave 1-2 close rounds to Watanabe I would have the other 2 judges....instead I fell in the middle.

rbr
1 watanabe
2 Poontarat
3 Watanabe
4 Poontarat
5 Poontarat
6 Poontarat
7 Watanabe
8 Poontarat
9 Watanabe
10 Watanabe
11 Watanabe
12 Watanabe

115-113 Watanabe

 

Jose Luis Lopez vs Aaron Davis

Round 1: 10-9 Davis
Round 2: 10-9 Lopez
Round 3: 10-9 Davis
Round 4: 10-9 Lopez
Round 5: 10-9 Lopez
Round 6: 10-9 Lopez
Round 7: 10-9 Lopez
Round 8: 10-9 Lopez
Round 9: 10-9 Davis
Round 10: 10-9 Davis

My Score: (96-94 Lopez)

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What a fantastic fight! I had forgotten just how good this fight was. Best Aaron Davis performance I've ever seen, each fighter clearly won the rounds they won. So though the final score is close, the winner is clearly Jose Luis Lopez imo.

 

Philly, I checked this one out not too long ago. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 PP
Round 3: 10-9 JW
Round 4: 10-9 PP
Round 5: 10-9 PP
Round 6: 10-9 PP
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 JW
Round 9: 10-9 JW
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 JW
Round 12: 10-9 JW

Total: 116-115 Watanabe

I had it a bit closer than you - not counting some of my even rounds we only differed really on the 8th - but a whole lot of these rounds were tissue paper thin between the two combatants. PP was the heavier hitter and Watanabe was a sharper boxer, but he would go into a lull at times. Very close.

 

Vassiliy Jirov vs. James Toney


Perhaps the greatest Cruiserweight fight ever (although I prefer Holyfield Qawi). Ledderman and the commentary seemed to award rounds to Jirov based upon aggression and punch volume rather than how many and how well they landed.

Jirov fought a spirited fight, and I wished he had a better corner. The man throws 100+ punches to come back to the corner and be told he needed to be busier. The busier he got, the more sharp counters James exploded with. I am not a Toney fan but this may be one of the best counterpunching displays I recall.

RBR
1 Jirov
2 Jirov
3 Toney
4 Jirov
5 Toney
6 Toney
7 Toney
8 Jirov 9-9 ( point deducted for low blow)
9 Toney
10 Toney
11 Toney
12 Toney 10-8

Toney 116-110 on my card.

 

Devon Alexander vs Aaron Martinez

Round 1: 10-9 Alexander
Round 2: 10-9 Alexander
Round 3: 10-9 Martinez
Round 4: 10-9 Alexander (close)
Round 5: 10-9 Martinez
Round 6: 10-9 Martinez
Round 7: 10-9 Martinez
Round 8: 10-9 Martinez
Round 9: 10-9 Alexander
Round 10: 10-9 Martinez

My Score: (96-94 Martinez)

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Joe Frazier vs. Jerry Quarry I


Now if Heavyweight boxing looked like this, I just might watch them more often! Quarry and Frazier waste no time going at it. Toe to toe, but gradually Joe grinds and wears him down. Quarry gets cut and eventual the Fight is stopped and Quarry gets to avoid being battered.

this is odd, because I had always heard that Joe had his right arm amputated and that he had a great career despite being a one armed fighter...I say odd because it almost seemed like he had a nasty right uppercut that he mixed in along with some solid rights to the body...hmmmm? Never mind I must have imagined it. Keep spinning the narrative of regurgitated drivel if you feel like. Who cares if it is true, if you say it often enough people might just believe it lol!

1 Quarry
2-7 Frazier

 

The irony is the right hand of Smokin Joe was or is the most accurate punch of any heavyweight. He just did not miss. The caveat is they were like 90% to the body.

And once the Ali era had started scoring of fights gives absolute minimal effectiveness to body punching. But they sure do love a shoe shiner that lands like 2 out of every 5 flurries.

 

Ray Mancini VS Duk Koo Kim
The Legendary Tragedy

Mancini Kim
R1: 9 - 10
(Even till last 20 seconds)
R2: 10 - 9
(Mancini very effective inside. War)
R3: 10 - 9
(War. Mancini right body uppercut making the difference)
R4: 9 - 10
(Very close. Slower round)
R5: 10 - 9
(Mancini a bit crisper. Ridiculous pace)
R6: 10 - 10
(Legendary. Some brilliant inside fighting)
R7: 10 - 9
(Mancini more compact)
R8: 9 - 10
(Kim finesse and late flurry wins the round)
R9: 9 - 10
(Kim forcing the issue and bossing the round)
R10: 10 - 8 (Kim had a point deducted as mentioned by Clancy)
(More legendary exchanges)
R11: 10 - 9
(Kim fighting purely on fire now)
R12: 10 - 9
(Kim weak but never gives up)
R13: 9 - 10
(Kim's last stand)
R14: KO, and later tragedy

Score: 125 MANCINI - 122 KIM

Notes:

• Passion. Pure passion.
• Kim burnt his fire fighting and turned to white ash. Ray was never the same.
• Easily one of boxing's greatest wars. Far superior to Gatti - Ward.
• Insane fitness and passion. Show me a fitter athlete than these two.
• I've watched this a lot of times, but never scored it until today.
• "Either he dies or I die." - Duk Koo Kim

 

Zolani Tete VS Johnriel Casimero

Tete Casimero

R1: 9 - 10
(feel out round)
R2: 10 - 9
(You can see Casimero planning something)
R3: KO
(Massive shot! Perfectly timed with great set up)

Notes

• Casimero spends rounds setting up one shot, and absolutely detroys Tete!
• Casimero got the aura of a dangerous man. Looks like a honey badger lol.
• Been some great boxing this week. First Besputin now this.

 

Marvin Hagler vs. John Mugabi


It’s been years since I rewatched this and my memory made it a very close fight....but I didn’t recall it being as one sided as I do now. Hagler fought brilliant. He gives away a close first fighting orthodox but is not in real danger at any point. By 2 he is back to southpaw and seems to have gauged mugabis power speed skill, and begins boxing jabbing and circling but his jab is controlling the action and setting everything Hagler does. Hagler foot work and positioning is clear, as he consistently maintains the inside foot. By 6 Mugabi has less sting and snap on his punches and Hagler tees off. Amazing guts by mugabi just to survive the round. Hagler gets deservedly docked a point in 7 for repeated low blows. Not deadly like Jirov vs Toney but certainly fair after 2 warnings. Mugabi is tough and I guess if you give him all the close rounds 1-2-4-9 he could lose by just 2 points like 1 of the judges, I just felt like Hagler was in complete control throughout! Definitely not as closely contested as I remember and not the slugfest I recall? More of a hard hitting chess match where Hagler is playing chess and Mugabi checkers.

1 Mugabi (close)
2 Hagler (close)
3 Hagler
4 Even
5 Hagler
6 Hagler
7 Hagler 9-9
8 Hagler
9 Hagler (close)
10 Hagler
Hagler- 98-92 on mine
2 judges 97-94 3rd judge 96-95

feel free to disagree as I even disagreed with my memory. On rewatch I saw/felt like it was almost all Hagler.

 

Careful mate Hagler was supposed to be shot!!!

 

Arturo Gatti vs. Ivan Robinson I


A very fun fight that is easy or hard to score depending on how you see it. Did you like Robinson connecting on 45 of 96 punches or Gatti landing 31 of 80 with Gatti landing consistently heavier shots? For me rounds 3-5-8 are the key. I gave 2 of 3 to Robinson, if you give 2 or all 3 of those rounds to one guy you likely have them winning!

I do love 10 rounders as they are usually filled with action and fatigue does not become as big of an issue. Still I don’t find this a great fight but it is very fun and good.

RBR
1 Robinson
2 Robinson
3 Robinson
4 Gatti 10-8
5 Robinson
6 Gatti
7 Robinson
8 Gatti
9 Robinson
10 Gatti
95-94 Robinson on my card. But I think all 3 judges cards are justifiable 1 Robinson 98-93, 2 Robinson 96-94, 3 Gatti 96-93. Now to score for Gatti you would need to give him 2 rounds where he was likely outlanded by 15-20 punches and find his heavier and cleaner enough to give him those rounds but 3-5-8 I believe a case could be made. But for me Ivan won this close