Hey man you think wilder is the hardest heavyweight hitter fair enough no problem he could be maybe . But in my opinion it's either tyson or foreman who have sstopped higher competition in early rounds
I reject the comparison, because both Foreman and Tyson fought many more ranked contenders than Wilder.
I totally get that. When it comes to power punching, everyone loves highlight reel KOs. But if you're the best puncher ever, you should also knock out the guys who everybody knocks out and you're supposed to knock out, too. To me, those are the red flags. Guys like Levi Forte got knocked out 16 times. But he went 10 with George Foreman. Danny Williams has been knocked out 15 times. He not only didn't get stopped by Tyson, he STOPPED Tyson. Quick Tillis was stopped a dozen times. He went the distance with Tyson. Bigfoot Martin was stopped a dozen times. He went the distance with Foreman. And on and on. We all know Foreman and Tyson could punch. When rating the best ever, to me, who the DIDN'T knock out is also very relevent.
George Foreman did fight a lot of contenders. And, surprisingly he DID NOT stop and/or beat the majority of them. He didn't knock out a number of non-contenders, either. I don't know how that helps his case.
Wilder fought a grand total of four contenders. He stopped two of them. A fighters KO% falls off rapidly when they step up in competition.
Groan. Wilder's stopped everyone he's faced except Fury. And this "four contenders" (whoever they are) nonsense has to stop. Wilder is the WBC champion. He beat the reigning WBC Champion. He's made 10 defenses of the WBC title against WBC contenders. He won WBC regional belts before he won the WBC world title. He fights WBC contenders. And Wilder's fought more than four of them. I don't know where that nonsense comes from.
The only guy Wilder hasn't stopped is Tyson Fury. And he's fighting him again next. And he's already had Fury down twice. And it took a referee giving Fury 10 seconds after he got off the floor to clear his head for Fury to get to the final bell. No other puncher in this thread can say anything remotely like that. They all have quite a few guys they couldn't stop or beat.
Thank you Cecil. Really good points. I don't think you'll get much agreement but the case against is almost certain to be weaker and more partisan than the case for that you have presented.
Well the thing is Eddie, there’s several who have a shout, it’s difficult to decipher exactly who is the man. I’ve a feeling Wilder by the end of his time could be the one and I don’t think I would have said that a year or two ago!
What stage you are in your career is just as important imo, Foreman had 11 fights when he faced 43 fight Forte.
Stiverne took him the distance as well. Holding a ranking with the Whetabix Boxing Commision does not make you a contender. Wilder has fought a grand total of four men ranked in the top ten by Ring Magazine, as in legitimately ranked contenders, and two of them took him the distance.
The only thing that made me hesitate with Wilder, is that he needs to take rounds and rounds to plan his knockout- punch in order for it to work. So his catching the opponent totally by surprise might give the illusion that he is the hardest hitter, when in all reality, it might be that he is the most skilled in catching his opponents by total surprise. Notice that when the opponent is expecting the punch it doesn't knock them out. Look at the Spilka fight. So after hesitating based on that factor, I finally gave him the benefit of the doubt.
I posted this elsewhere. Everyone Wilder has defended the WBC title against were ranked WBC contenders. You can call them what you want, but they are. Every last one of them. Someone said everyone knows who the contenders are. WRONG. Those same people complaining about Wilder only fighting WBC contenders and holding up the RING ratings as THE RATINGS ... those same guys start threads saying Wilder should fight guys who AREN'T included in the RING ratings (but are ranked by the WBC). Because those posters don't even know who Ring considers "contenders." Usyk is rated by the WBC, WBA and WBO at heavyweight ... but he isn't a heavyweight contender according to RING. Apparently, everyone knows Usyk's a heavyweight contender EXCEPT RING. Hrgovic is rated by all the orgs at heavyweight right now ... but not by RING. Apparently, everyone knows Hrgovic is a heavyweight contender EXCEPT RING. Michael Hunter is rated by all the orgs at heavyweight right now ... but not by RING. Apparently, everyone knows Hunter's a heavyweight contender EXCEPT RING. Daniel Dubois is rated by the WBC, IBF and WBO at heavyweight right now ... but he isn't a heavyweight contender according to RING. Apparently they all know he's a heavyweight contender EXCEPT RING. Dereck Chisora is the same. Rated by the orgs. Not rated by RING. The RING didn't even rate Andy Ruiz before he fought Joshua, but the WBC did. So don't give me this garbage that everyone knows who the contenders are. Even when all the orgs agree on who the contenders are, RING can't seem to get it's act together and figure it out. The Whetabix Boxing Commision (as you called them) contenders are all fine. Who is rated by the WBC who isn't a contender? Rattle them off? Is Tyson Fury? Is Whyte? Is Povetkin? Is Parker? Is Usyk? Is Ortiz? Is Chisora? Is Hrgovic? Is Joyce? Kownacki? Pulev? Hunter? Where are all these terrible contenders the WBC rates who AREN'T CONTENDERS? The only reason you don't think the contenders Wilder knocked out are good is because HE BEAT THEM. If Gerald Washington or Breazeale or any of them had upset Wilder, like Ruiz upset Joshua, you'd have no problem considering them a quality opponent. But he beat them, so you ridicule them and say they weren't "real" contenders. Screw that.
Everyone Wilder has faced for the last five years has been a WBC ranked fighter, and he's knocked them all out except for Fury.
