A point about Deontay Wilder and the ongoing nonsense regarding how many contenders he's faced

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  1. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What about that post is trolling?

    If facts are trolling, then you are on the wrong side.

    People here say Usyk would beat Wilder. Or Hrgovic would beat him now. Or Dubois has Wilder's number. Or Hunter is the best American Heavyweight. And on and on.

    And the same clowns say Wilder's only fought a two contenders according to Ring.

    I'm just pointing out, EVERYONE they talk about as being some young, strong or prime contender who they want Wilder to fight ... AREN'T CONSIDERED contenders by Ring, either.

    They are considered contenders by the WBC. And Wilder is a WBC champ. And Wilder fights WBC contenders.

    But so many around here have a stick up their cracks about Ring ratings.

    Ring ratings have never had any influence over who fought whom. They always seem to lag behind. At heavyweight, guys almost have to AGE OUT to not be rated.

    * Where was Andy Ruiz rated before he fought Joshua and won three belts? Wasn't rated at all.

    * Where was Tyson Fury rated before he fought Wilder in the biggest heavyweight fight last year? Fury started the year still recognized as the champ by Ring. Then they dropped him as champ and completely from their ratings like a month before his comeback. Then they slid Fury in at #10 when the fight with Wilder was signed. They couldn't get out of their own way.

    * Where was Jospeh Parker rated by Ring before he fought for his first world title? Wasn't rated at all.

    * Where was Anthony Joshua rated by Ring before he fought for his first world title? They stuck him in at #10.

    Yes, Ring really has its finger on the freaking pulse. Even when they try to be proactive, they usually mess up.
     
  2. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Where is Whyte in any if your posts about WBC contenders???

    Wheres your pulse?
     
  3. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Justify his reign? He's the WBC Heavyweight Champion with 10 successful title defenses.

    Deonaty Wilder is a lock for the Hall of Fame.

    Name an eligible heavyweight champion with 10 successful title defenses who isn't?

    I'm just pointing out to the RING CONTENDER crowd that most of their favorites who they are so sure will beat Wilder ... aren't considered contenders by Ring, either.

    RING views their favorites as no more a contender than anyone Wilder has faced.
     
  4. Rusty100

    Rusty100 New Member Full Member

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    Wilder only fights WBC contenders because he’s protected by the WBC themselves and most of these “contenders” have been crap.
    Why has he never tried to unify and face other “contenders”
     
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  5. Rusty100

    Rusty100 New Member Full Member

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    One face one name one dickhead
     
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  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Whyte is rated by Ring and the WBC.

    I was pointing out the top fighters I've been reading about today who aren't rated by RING but are by the WBC.
     
  7. Rusty100

    Rusty100 New Member Full Member

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    Speak it believe it receive it
     
  8. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Are you new to boxing?

    If you represent an organization as its champion, you fight boxers who are rated by that organization.

    That's why Wilder fights WBC contenders. Because he's the WBC champion.
     
  9. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Wilder didn't beat someone I'd identify necessarily as a reigning champion, he beat 36 year old Stiverne who's first defense was Wilder.. Stiverne won 0 defenses of the WBC belt. So hardly 'reigning'.. & Stiverne had fought a grand total of 5 times in 4 years leading up the Wilder too :lol:

    That is an atrocious start to Wilders 'reign'.. & it didn't get much better til he met an obese Fury lol
     
  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Do you not understand what "reigning" means?

    Sounds like you're describing Andy Ruiz.

    Ruiz fought a grand total of four times in three years leading up to Saturday. He's making his first defense. If Ruiz loses, he will have made zero successful defenses, too.
     
  11. "TKO"

    "TKO" Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is trolling to try and make out that some of the utter dross Wilder has fought are contenders! A contender is someone considered world class or a serious threat to win a world title. Not somebody is the nonsense alphabet body rankings. As far as Wilder is concerned, that's basically Stiverne and Ortiz. Who else did he fight who was considered a serious threat? Fury I suppose, though he was less than 12 months removed from being a 30 stone cokehead, but that fight was a draw. That's a total of two serious contenders. Real HOF stuff!

    I get that it's a pretty weak division without many real world level talents but seriously now!
     
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  12. Simon Head

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    Stiverne was a good win, he out boxed him 11 rounds to 1, which was impressive at the time.

    I think Wilder did terrible against Molina. When I first saw he was fighting him, I saw that Molina had been KO’ed before was outside the top 50 on Boxrec, so was thinking Wilder was going for the fastest KO in heavyweight history. I was shocked when Wilder looked to struggle at times, got rocked and even lost a round to Molina.

    His best opponents since being champion are Ortiz and Fury.
    The Ortiz win was a great win, and also a exciting fight. Hats off to him winning that, and his opponents have been far better since that fight, before Ortiz his opponents were terrible, all badly ranked on Boxrec.
    Wilder did lose to Fury though. If he wins the rematch it will be a great win, and a lot of the doubters will shut their mouth then, but personally I think he will lose again far worse than last time.
     
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  13. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Not really. Ruiz wasn't 36 & had fought 3 times in the 13 months leading up to Joshua.. at least apply context.. that you're having to spin it that way & draw parallels with someone [Ruiz] that may turn out to be a one hit wonder anyway to bolster Wilder speaks volumes for him.. & even then Stiverne can't touch Ruiz or what he's done.. so semantics aside, no, they're not really comparable.. but you play that semantics card if it helps your case.. I think most would understand what I meant..
     
  14. Rumsfeld

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    The fact remains that since the early 80s, only 2 heavyweights aside from Wilder have made 10 or more title defenses: Larry Holmes & Wladimir Klitschko.

    If this feat was as easy and insignificant as Wilder's biggest detractors claim, then surely more than 3 heavyweight champions would have done it in the last 35+ years.

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  15. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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