Ruiz V Joshua 2

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Heisenberg, Nov 30, 2019.



Who ya got?

  1. Ruiz by KO

    40.8%
  2. Ruiz on PTS

    0.8%
  3. The Draw

    0.8%
  4. Joshua by KO

    35.2%
  5. Joshua on PTS

    22.4%
  1. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    What a lot of rubbish.

    He was first dropped by Whyte back when he started boxing, how the eff does being dropped by Klitckho overtake that?

    Jesus christ.

    Wlad was a HOF'er, and AJ respected and new this. He would be absolutely fine getting dropped by Wlad...

    You think he started his career with the expectation he could never get hurt or get put down? What the actual...

    Get of the crack cocaine... please.. please ... please..
     
  2. Twentyman

    Twentyman You dog nonce! banned Full Member

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    He has said (at least twice for definite) that he did not want to go through a war like that Klitschko fight again. I would argue that there has been a change in Joshua since that victory. He’s tried to box a lot more since to avoid that war happening again, which is a positive in a way but before that he relied on his athleticism.
     
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  3. rski

    rski Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well he did seem to take a more cautious approach after Wlad, so....
     
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  4. Boxing125

    Boxing125 Active Member Full Member

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    I am almost sure now that Joshua will win and that things are being ' fixed ' in his favour to make sure this happens. The choice of ref, ring size and the influence of Joshua's 'team' on the judges will ensure that Joshua has the edge to succeed.

    It will probably go down as a boring, frustrating fight possibly with Joshua using spoiling tactics without punishment from the ref. Any time Ruiz hits on the break or makes it uncomfortable for Joshua he will get warned possibly with an undeserved points deduction.

    If Joshua has Ruiz backing up and looking hurt the ref may well end it there.

    Too many alarm bells ringing here. Joshua is the marketable fighter who if he wins will generate more money for the sport. Joshua getting beaten by a 'non-athlete' for the second time will lose his money generating potential possibly permanently and there is almost no chance of that being allowed to happen

    Thats not to say its impossible for Ruiz to win - and the only way he will do it will be via KO/ stoppage ( no chance of him winning on the scorecards)- but his edge will be nullified and it will be a far more uphill task this time.
     
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  5. TBC-ASAP

    TBC-ASAP Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Am in Mancheater this weekend. Would anyone have a nap on a bar to watch it in?

    With the Missus so somewhere not to rough would be preferable
     
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  6. rski

    rski Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If the fix is in and it’s obvious, Joshua would never live it down so I can’t see it. The victory would be so tainted it would be pointless, ref protection, scoring whatever. The fight is just too big. They might try a few advantages but I don’t see it being a fix.
     
  7. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    And thats absouletly normal, Whyte has undergone plenty of the exact same thing... getting in wars... then changing his mentality in the fight to avoid getting into wars... but if it happens.. it happens.

    Whyte fights way more cautiously now. Does mean AJ has lost confidence in himself, he knew damn well he could lose throughout his career. He probably didn't expect it to be at the hands of Ruiz... but leading up to the Klitckho fight it was a picke'em... and Joshua knew this very well... he knew Wlads power, and he knew Wlad was in perfect shape coming to win.

    And while we're on the topic, AJ took that shot very, very very...

    Very very... welll

    Very well...

    In fact isnt it the same power./shot that knocked Ruiz into the fetal position? Sweat knocked off all his forehead same as AJ... but AJ got up in good time, nice composed. with a BROAD smile... he even looked to his corner and smiled and winked like yeah that was a good shot,

    Then he got up and beat the living crap out of Wlad... he beat Wlad so hard... the viewers were feeling the pain... like the uppercut that uncorked and uncscrewed vlad head off his shoulders.

    So AJ got up with more fire in his belly, same as with Ruiz except he was given the oppurtunity to recover in time.

    He prepared fully for Vlad, for Ruiz he had the wrong preparation because he was preparing for miller.. he was putting on muscle and size and power to content with a 320LB man attemmpting to shove him around the ring. Now he is primed for Ruiz.
     
  8. Twentyman

    Twentyman You dog nonce! banned Full Member

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    Mate, I haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about in that post?

    I’m just saying that Joshua went through a war with Klitschko. Since then, he’s been less wreckless & tried to box more. He was very careful against Takam, Parker and Povetkin. He tried to use his natural attributes to keep them at a distance and avoid a scrap with them. He looked apprehensive in the opening rounds against Ruiz.

    The Klitschko fight took a part of him away. That’s what happens when 2 fighters go to war, suffer knockdowns/almost stopped. Teddy Atlas talks about it, and explains that that’s the reason they embrace at the end, because they experienced something together, they both went to hell and neither will be quite the same again. Sometimes we refer to it as miles on the clock, but the fact is, it ‘changed’ Joshua and the way he approached fights since then.

    I think styles played a huge part in the outcome of the first fight but I’ll say this...Ruiz had that dog in him in that fight, he hasn’t had his war. Joshua did not want a war and he had nothing left in him to continue.
     
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  9. BoxingABC1

    BoxingABC1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The fact you actually had to ask that question shows how dumb you really are.
     
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  10. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    It's the way you write your content which makes it unclear what to infer... "piece of Joshua was taken away from him" in what sense? Emotionally, you think he is more frightened to engage or get in a way? Or he is reluctant based on team strategy and being more effective by fighting with a more reserved style?

    The guy grew streetfighting, and getting into fights.. it's absurd to say he lost a piece of him... no fighter or warrior like joshua loses a piece of him from any war. I know a dozen fighters who keep coming back into their 40s and 50s despite being in the worst war TRILOGIES... and they still come back to take on young heavy hitters... these are warriors by nature... its bull**** to say "a piece was taken away"

    Whyte is in the exact same situation as Joshua... both been through wars, both changed their styles... both had losses...

    But both have pieces taken away as a result? No ****ing way. I dont agree with that for one second.
     
  11. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    You are the dumb arse.

    Dropped by klitcko... mentally scarred??? He was DROPPED BY WHYTE FIRST you mongol

    How the eff was Klitckho more mentally scarring...

    Its bloody klitckho you freaking banana... he knew it could happen every one knew... the whole godamn promo and build knew it was a picked em both carried power...

    Do you know how maby KOs Wlad has??


    Jesus... your post quality is disgusting.
     
  12. BoxingABC1

    BoxingABC1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So you still don’t get the difference between the two? :risas3::risas3:

    You can’t talk to anyone about their post quality lol
     
  13. alpo1

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    the risk of dropping too much muscle/roid dosage too quick is the roy jones/ubereem-econoreem syndrome

    joshua can't hold a punch too well when he looks like thanos, so how well will he hold it after losing a fair bit of lean mass?
     
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  14. Twentyman

    Twentyman You dog nonce! banned Full Member

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    In regards to what they lose...physically, to go way past the point of quitting, ignoring the intense pain, exhaustion and having your senses completely punched out for 30 odd minutes, that adds mileage onto the clock. A fighter only has so many wars in him before his body starts to betray him & his cognitive functions are affected along with their ability to absorb a shot.

    Emotionally, going through intense adversity like that, remembering how deep into their heart they had to dig to get through that experience despite the extreme physical pressures. When they have the silk sheets, it’s harder to go to that place and they are reluctant to go it again. When they’re alone, away from the cameras, in-between camps, and they notice a small deterioration about themselves either physically or cognitively that they know is due to fighting, it’s all going to contribute towards avoiding going through that war again.

    These are not Marvel characters, they’re human beings smashing each other in the head. They’re not working in an office or fixing pipes or whatever. They get the crap beaten out of them for 12 weeks in camp, then they go through a gruelling shellacking off an opponent. Each fight takes something away.
     
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  15. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have to admit I thought the AJ looking a lot leaner was exaggerated and he may at most be 5lbs lighter (which is enough to have a significant impact on peformance). However looking at the photo that Hearn just posted of AJ he is a hell of a lot smaller/ learner than we have previously seen him for years.

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